dunerat
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got a questioned after reading through all this. i have only been there once but seeing as most all the trails are OHV trails how can there be a street legal only trail in the middle of it? i had to deal with tho similar issue down at superstion were we ended up on a street legal trail that was only make such from the entrance from the highway and no were else. i agree with both sides on the issues here but it sounds like ranger danger and BLM still haven't figured out how to make a trail properly.
From what I've read, Reed doesn't. From the look of the pictures and the comments I've read, the community here are responsible operators! My hat's off to them!
Let me share a story...
I sat in an OHV meeting with the SBNF where they were looking and actively asking for ways to accommodate the UTV community. The UTV community is a fast growing segment of off road vehicles. The US Forest hasn't caught up to their needs yet. With the exception of a single UTV that meets the current 50" rule, the other UTV's were left with no place to go, being that they are NOT street legal in California (despite what Reed says). The SBNF is leading the rest of the country in accommodating the UTV's and still actively making changes where ever they can to get more trails open to them!
I also know for a FACT that the SBNF would LOVE to have a group of UTV enthusiasts adopt a UTV trail and maintain it...just like the Hemet Jeep Club does (4S21).
What's happened here so far is that some feelings got hurt when they were informed they were on street legal only trail. I suspect that the majority were not aware that 3N93 is not open for UTV's. Its clear at least one person was...and doesn't care. As pointed out earlier, there is only ONE UTV that can legally go on 50" trails! This means that the rest of the UTV's are no more legal on that 50" trail than a Jeep is! And believe me, if a Jeep got caught on a 50" trail, they too would be told so.
Hopefully people in this group will accept the invitation to attend the Adopt-A-Trail meeting this Wednesday, talk to the ranger, and work WITH the Forest to accommodate UTV's. So far EVERYONE here is FOR off road recreation no matter what your mode of transportation is!
BTW Reed, if your UTV is truly street legal, you should have front and rear plates. None are apparent in any of your pictures. Maybe you can post a picture of your plate to prove everyone wrong.
Dino - KX6D
Apparently you know it all and got it all figured out, so come to the meetings and get the forest service straightened out. I'm sure they will bow down to your extensive knowledge and sweet disposition and do whatever you say.Do you really think this trail is not open to green sticker because of fire and emergency traffic? I can tell you no ranger truck I have seen could do this trail and a D-9 would not let us stop them! That is the kind of thinking we are talking about? It is okay to have green sticker on Crab Flats Road, but not a boulder strewn trail that is wide enough for a jeep or truck? This is a BLACK DIAMOND Trail and no Prius I know can make it! This is way beyond a "Roughly Graded Roadway" requiring street registration and Turn signals! LMAO! This trail is on the same level as Ball Buster and the Waterfall in the same area with no registration requirement? I agree the FS has not looked at or taken seriously the SXS as a capable off-road vehicle! But to assert it is for access by the FS is laughable, in its Black Diamond condition, by emergency vehicles! It is the Street Car & Rabbit thing!
just e-mail rich I will be there also
First of all in Montana there is no requirement for front plates, next thanks for the attack, it is what I am talking about it the first place! There are two types of people in this country, those who think all comes from the government including permissions and those of us that believe freedom and responsibility come from our creator and it is not responsible to follow blindly nonsensical rules that don't follow the CVC. I am the guy in front and will take the arrows and that's okay, but don't assume I "Don't get it" when I get it way beyond the sheep attitude that has us trapped on a few gifted and bagged trails and areas! I could have cared less if the shoe was on the other foot, but as stated here a smile, and explanation goes a lot further. The signage if official is amateurish at best and as far as my commitment there is no question, FREEDOM WORKS! You see not one person can answer the original question: How is it an un-maintained trail "Street Legal"? I am not 5 and "Because it is" is not an answer! BTW I don't boil my Dust Rag either and I don't shoot rabbits from the back of Street Cars! What I do get is there are a lot of people who never question authority (Hippocrates) unless it feeds there need to control others. Always question authority my Friends!
BTW, I want to say WELCOME TO THE SITE to all the new members who have joined us here! Sounds like an aggressive (in a good way) off-road bunch and we need more soldiers like you guys fighting our fight as off-roaders!
It’s truly amazing how the ignorance of some can be so obvious. For starters, this forum welcomes discussion, but for someone to come an outright attack LAW ABIDING, US Citizens in the manner which insinuated “An incident occurred on 7-14-12 on 3N93 Holcomb Creek in the San Bernardino National Forest between members of this forum and some Adopt-A-Trail volunteer,†(DID NOT HAPPEN).
Papa Bear and every true member of this forum are professional members who are respectful and responsible off roaders and recreational riders. I would have been more than supportive to volunteer and support your group; however I feel an apology to all 10 SXS/UTV riders and their families is in order. I for one will ride/drive my UTV on any legal and approved riding trail I see fit and agree with Slackers statement.
Thanks Jim for giving some creditability to this guy, as I do respect your opinion.
As most you are aware, I don’t flaunt myself around as anything other than myself. I’m glad I didn’t hear some of the words stated in the beginning reply’s.
I’m not going to go on and on, but if something needs to be done to keep these roads open, it should be communicated as such to educate members here that want to know and not point to finger and insinuated something happen such as an “incident,†which infers a serious event occurred. This was not the case and now if your goal was to unite or unify for a common goal, I think it backfired.
Rich thanks for the link, as it was helpful to learn more about the trails. Given this was my first time on that trail, I for one gained valuable insight of what jeep owners experience and why they enjoy the various rock trails. Given that I’m a open minded person, I will not let the view of a few cast upon the rest.
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I'm glad to see some will be attending the meeting tonight. Maybe after the meeting your peeps can come back and explain it to everyone. I understand that trying to explain things to individuals that are already on the defense is difficult.but you chose the wrong people and time to try and educate
This was turning into a good thread here..
Papa Bear, lets lay back a bit on these guys. Sounds like it was a rough first meeting but I think we could really use a group like this on our side, to help us open more trails by showing what responsible off-roaders our forum represents. These guys are popping back at you with the personal jabs just as you continue to pop off at them. Your first few posts really provoked a verbal war, right or wrong I'm just saying. I see your frustration, and anyone that knows you knows that you will speak your mind and defend what you feel is right. I respect that a TON! However, what happened happened and as an outsider looking in here I can see where these guys have said, if you don't like the way it is on this trail then attend our meetings where people who make decisions are at and help them and ourselves plead our case. Seems pretty black and white to me. My problem is I need 3 of me so I can attend these types of meetings. I rely on members like those in La Familia to represent our site and our community, but I will say I am all for helping if I can!
Does it just take money to adopt a trail, or can we adopt a trail by doing work on it???
Joey,
As I said a few posts back, I tried to get this rolling last year and was unable to do so. I'm glad that we can move forward because I think we are screwed if we don't. It isn't the way I think it should be, but that's life.
I also pm'd you then trying to get support from this site. You hold a ton of credibility in this community and I also spoke with Gregg last year about UTVUnderground and La Familia.
Do we have your permission to use your likeness and this site? Are we authorized to speak on behalf of UTVUnderground?
I know these are silly questions, but I want to make sure we have your blessing to do so. I think we can calmly and professionally represent our cause. We do have some very strongly opinionated folks here, present company included, but I think we are so because of our passion.
I was actively involved in the Save JV campaign, still am, so this isn't the first for me either.
I for one cannot make tonights meeting, I have to babysit a spacecraft, but these meetings are monthly, and let's see how next month lines up.
I would like to ask that anyone going tonight report back to the group on the discussion with a summary of what took place.
You all have my permission to sign me up, and I'll do what I can when able. Please PM me for my email address if needed.
This is in my backyard, so I have ready access to this from my house, literally.
I would also think that a subject of this importance warrants it's own forum to post and discuss in.
What say ye?
Dan...