Are UTV Racers Cheating at BITD??
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Most of these guys don't have safe chassis now or a clue how to built one, but you want to build bigger engines that can go 100 mph! Good luck with that and hopefully that is not what kills someone or the class.
If you want to go faster, then its time to progress to the next class. Each class has its place in the pecking order. The UTV is a great lower tier start up class. Heck even veteran racers like Marc Burnett, Victor Herrera and Larry Job have chosen to race a UTV. That's whats great about desert racing, there is a class progression. Move up to a 1600 car, 12 car or 10 car if you want to go faster. If you have real money jump into a truck class, there are several of them too.
Some progression in a class is needed to keep up with the times, but many times greed gets involved and it kills the class.
If you want to go faster, then its time to progress to the next class. Each class has its place in the pecking order. The UTV is a great lower tier start up class. Heck even veteran racers like Marc Burnett, Victor Herrera and Larry Job have chosen to race a UTV. That's whats great about desert racing, there is a class progression. Move up to a 1600 car, 12 car or 10 car if you want to go faster. If you have real money jump into a truck class, there are several of them too.
Some progression in a class is needed to keep up with the times, but many times greed gets involved and it kills the class.
a.p.s.
Member
Also jagged, we are really not asking for the entire class to have an engine tech before the race as that would be a long process.
We are just stating that if the top 5 were teched after the race that would end the crap about who is cheating cause if you cheated and could not get top 5 who cares.
As for turbo tech if they cannot tech for it they should be automatically moved to unlimited and taken out of a class where they really don't belong unless they are truly as delivered from the factory.
We are just stating that if the top 5 were teched after the race that would end the crap about who is cheating cause if you cheated and could not get top 5 who cares.
As for turbo tech if they cannot tech for it they should be automatically moved to unlimited and taken out of a class where they really don't belong unless they are truly as delivered from the factory.
facteryfmf
Looking For a Few Good Men - UTVUnderground Approv
There was some statements made in the driver's meeting from KC that there would be in after race impound I'm not sure what race in particular that was talking about but I didn't see any impound anywhere
LOL do you race ? what do you race ? what series do you Race in ?
do you feel you lost a race because one of the top guys here is cheating ?
Why Not? The other limited desert classes do engine checks after a race. Typically a CC test is done where you pull the spark plug, valve cover to remove the push rods and they use a tool called a Puffer. With the 1600 cars the carb is pulled to check the carb, spacer size and intake. Simular less evasive checks could be done to the UTV's and should be. You want to race in one of the top series, then expect to get treated like all the rest of the racers or classes that post race check.
The first year Snore brought the Mint 400 back the 5/1600 top 3 had to pull a head & cylinder as the tech director wanted to see the crank shaft. That's sucked! It did not matter that our engine was built by one of the top, most respected builders in the sport and that he was standing right there. The Tech guy wanted to squash the rumor.
I think jagged is correct motors are a small part.. isn't there time Differential between sections on the computer ?? There will always be people looking for an advantage . And building a few motors my self most gains are done with head work and cams . The can am won I think that's cool man . Maybe Polaris will say wtf , but it's all skill suspension and luck in the desert not motor shit robbie Gordon has a lot of hp
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a.p.s.
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Nope I have been in many of the bitd races and have won a few bitd races I have currently stopped racing because I feel that being an engine builder and racing against my racers I build engines for is both bad business and a conflict of interest.
So that is actually why I am not a racer this year.
I do not feel that I have lost because one of the top guys is cheating. But many other racers do! That in itself is enough to hurt our sport. Also when they say "why would thy not cheat there is no tech that is consistant". That says alot about the people who are content to just pay for a good time racing. Alot of what could be top competitors have left as a result of the attitude " if you don't like it go somewhere else."
So I can say us racers!
So that is actually why I am not a racer this year.
I do not feel that I have lost because one of the top guys is cheating. But many other racers do! That in itself is enough to hurt our sport. Also when they say "why would thy not cheat there is no tech that is consistant". That says alot about the people who are content to just pay for a good time racing. Alot of what could be top competitors have left as a result of the attitude " if you don't like it go somewhere else."
So I can say us racers!
BrArmor
Scranton Boys Racing OG
Takes 10 minutes, just dont spin the motor backwards unless you have a manual cam chain tensioner.
I agree with you guys about there not being proper UTV tech and/or inspections at all our races. Most racing associations so far have made a rulebook for the UTV classes and I constantly see people braking rules here and there, in one way or another. If there is a tech inspection then it needs to have the proper tools to inspect the rules that are being enforced, otherwise why even make the rule? I know this is mainly about the BITD and desert racing but it is also a HUGE issue in short course racing right now too. The classes are so big and competitive that everyone can complain about something, but the problem is no rules are being properly inspected or enforced. I ask, if the rules state you cannot trim plastic except where needed, then why can't we cut out holes in the hood? I think that's needed for us when we catch over 125' of air and the hood catches air....And the rules also state the tubing needs to be .095" thick and yet I have seen clearly marked on tubes that people are using .083" thick. I really don't care but the way the rules are being enforced is ridiculous. The tech gets to pick and choose what rules are ok or not ok to brake? You cant brake rule 7 but it is ok to brake rule 8 because they cannot inspect... just saying. For example last race we passed tech on Saturday before the race with the main tech official and race coordinator there to make sure we were good and let us know if we needed to change anything and there was only very minor things. Now after qualifying we were teched again and passed. Then after the Saturday main event the top 5 were teched again and we passed. Now Sunday we teched again after qualifying top 5 and passed. Then after the race was over and my brother was leaving the podium and he is yelled and bitched at with nothing professional to say about 4 square holes about 3" x 6" each with some bead rolled aluminum to fill in the voids and some cheap Home Depot spring loaded piano hinges to hold them on and cover/fill the holes which was all we were asked to do, but for some reason we are cheating? and were not only yelled at in front of over 25 people that were there to see us but many others that saw it. We do not cheat, and we spend a lot of time working to barely have our car ready. We still have the same 2014 bought August 2013, that has only had the oil changed 1 time and original stock plugs still in it, of course we wire brushed them once. Haha and it's %100 stock clutch components and parts except we did blow the spider Thanksgiving 2014 in Glamis and that was the first time we have even taken the clutch off. Intake %100 stock and still uses the paper filament. What am I getting at? No matter what you build its all about the driver in the end. We had the top 2 top speeds of the weekend and one of the top lap times also. Now if you think someone is cheating on their motor you better make sure you are confident that assumption is true, they could just be faster than you.... and spent more time in the seat making the set up a sort of 6th sense....?
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