Are UTV Racers Cheating at BITD??

[UTVMike24]

First of all it was Not attack on any other Engine Builder...But started in frustration that we Race multiple
Race series and with the larger field of entries ..And more accidents are happening..People are showing up to these events with unsafe SXSs or oversized motors,etc..That is unsafe for Everyone and our Sport !!
More and more of us being called out for cheating...Great protest it ok..Why not have a true tech inspection
And take 90% of the guessing game out of it ?? Yes I started next to Lance at the Utv world Championship
BITD race he was running a stock fuel cell. Total bullshit he never should have raced..That my Folks is a MAJOR RULE INFRACTION,,Plus how many guys were not running the proper rear lights at that event
Why we are told because to many cars to tech...We are paying for the tech inspection. I'm not worried about a gusset or something minor let them race..Or how about the guy who zip tied his wife and daughter in the Powder puff race at WORCs Primm..With plastic chicken wire..

Cory has done a lot of the sport but he also Builds race cars and motors,Races and Techs

Maybe time we get a real UTV racing association and a true tech inspection team at races

If not someone is going to get hurt bad ...Or the BLM will just take our land .. Then we have no racing problem

And yes some of us do believe the Pro Unlimited class in some series is the way to go
But we would like to see it become a true UTV unlimited class or some answers as we build
2016 cars

 

[NIKAL]

I've never met Cory and could not point him out in a line up. I could have been standing next to him at the Mint Tech and did not know it. But I have been saying this for awhile now. It's time the UTV class gets an independent tech director or leaves all tech to the Series. The UTV class is the only class that has their own tech. Why is this? Every other class is governed by the race series tech dept.

Then you add the fact that the current tech director races & has ties to a manufacture in the same class just adds to the conflict of interest issues. I kept a low profile at the Mint Contingency when it came to the UTV cars. I spoke to several teams, never letting on who I was. I can say many cars I saw would never pass a real tech inspection. IMO these chassis need to be checked and tagged like Score had mandated. So many have improper tube placement, and with all the talk of nerfing these cars need to be built like a proper race chassis. I saw fuel cells without firewalls and so on... Also this class needs to be tech'ed after the race just as all other limited or spec classes are. How many knew that limited classes are tech'ed after a race? Why aren't the UTV's tech'ed?

Without going it to detail a well known off road race car builder spoke to Cory about ways to improve the class and make it safer, possibly cheaper and Cory was having none of it.

Something needs to change for the betterment of the class. When the class was new having Cory run it was instrumental and he should be complimented for the success of the class. But as this class has grown and is now a legit pro class and not a sportsman class, it's time a real independent tech program be made. You don't let convicts run the prison, and you don't let racers run the class.

 

[Rusty5150]

Unlimited benefits nobody. Deep pockets win every time.

 

[JoeyD23]

Unlimited benefits nobody. Deep pockets win every time.

I get what they are saying. There is already an Unlimited class. SR1s, etc.. I don't mind them opening it up. But I a do not want this to cause dilution of the class. Have a an old 900, want to put a V8 in it, go for it. lol As long as the rules don't start changing for the current Pro UTV class I am ok.

BUT.. I tried to warn everyone about the turbo... That should have been in the Unlimited class this year.

 

[ironworks]

A turbo Can am wins one race and everyone is up in arms. Sounds like if Johnny would not have blown his transmission he would have won by like 20 minutes with a "Claimed" stock engine ( believe Johnny ). Cognito had issues after hitting a tree branch or something and drug their car in on 3 wheels for the last 20 miles. RJ came from the back of the pack and finished 2nd and I doubt they have a cheater engine. Nobody has run away with anything yet to make it seem like anybody is cheating or atleast not cheating very good.

Heck Perkins was doing great with his hopped up 900.

 

[UTVMike24]

But if you were following Jim's Facebook page post ...Cory said he is the ruler and he was the one who
Made this sport.And nothing is going to change that.or at BITD. We'll BITD is down the street from me

Plus other racers on Jim's post are saying the same thing time for a new Prez

 

[Rusty5150]

Make this class 1500cc max

Pro Unlimited UTV class definition: The Pro Unlimited UTV class vehicles are
built using a factory UTV frame or a full tube custom frame. Street bike, snow
mobile or UTV engine must be used. Maximum engine size 1000cc. No car
engines. Must use Hood and front fenders from a UTV. Must have 2 seats. Max
wheelbase 124”. The 124” wheel base can be achieved by cutting the factory
frame or built into the custom tube frame. Any type of suspension is allowed. This
is an open UTV class, with the exception of wheelbase, width and tire size.

 

[UTVMike24]

A turbo Can am wins one race and everyone is up in arms. Sounds like if Johnny would not have blown his transmission he would have won by like 20 minutes with a "Claimed" stock engine ( believe Johnny ). Cognito had issues after hitting a tree branch or something and drug their car in on 3 wheels for the last 20 miles. RJ came from the back of the pack and finished 2nd and I doubt they have a cheater engine. Nobody has run away with anything yet to make it seem like anybody is cheating or atleast not cheating very good.

Heck Perkins was doing great with his hopped up 900.

Is this about Tech inspections in the Utv racing series. Not why my buddy Johnny lost or why Dustin won
Hell were running a 900 still

 

[UTVMike24]

Make this class 1500cc max

Pro Unlimited UTV class definition: The Pro Unlimited UTV class vehicles are
built using a factory UTV frame or a full tube custom frame. Street bike, snow
mobile or UTV engine must be used. Maximum engine size 1000cc. No car
engines. Must use Hood and front fenders from a UTV. Must have 2 seats. Max
wheelbase 124”. The 124” wheel base can be achieved by cutting the factory
frame or built into the custom tube frame. Any type of suspension is allowed. This
is an open UTV class, with the exception of wheelbase, width and tire size.

That's what some of us are after ..plus a 32 in tire.

 

[Johnny]

wouldnt a UTV with a V8 or a 1500cc motor be a trophy truck or class 1 or a class BITD already has ?

 

[JoeyD23]

Sounds like this is now 3 different threads:

Cheating
Unlimited Class
Cory as Tech Inspector

Here is my take. Unless you have FACTS, don't ever claim anyone is cheating. Does nobody any good. Protest them, call them out with the facts, do it by the book.

Unlimited Class. I personally am hesitant with it, because like Rusty mentioned, we have been down the road at Lucas Oil and it ruined the class when it became a money game. No OEM will support a UTV that doesn't look like what they roll off the show room floor. In addition, Unlimited means you better have an unlimited budget because once the envelope gets pushed there is nothing to stop it from being pushed further and further. The cost rises, the car counts go down. Side note: Does Lacretia have a built engine? What makes her RZR unlimited. I meant to ask her.

Cory is a great guy, he has done a lot for this class. Every year someone else comes up with this same argument about Cory being the tech guy and a racer. Every year things stay the same. BITD hates change, thats obvious. Like it was said the last time this whole argument came up, the class needs to speak as a class. Not as individuals. If the class wants change then they will most likely get it. But if you don't get everyone involved then it won't happen. Something tells me one year at Parker there was a meeting of sorts about this and the decision was made that the racers liked having Cory do tech.

As for getting everyone involved.. good luck. lol We tried to get this sport to embrace the ISA. a few industry professionals spent months and lots of time and money to engineer a new UTV organization that would help unify race rules and give the sport a voice. Guess what, only a handful of people ever supported it. Most people will complain, but few will actually do anything to help the problem. BITD is not going to listen to anyone unless they have a BETTER PLAN AND OPTION. Thats a FACT!

 

[JoeyD23]

wouldnt a UTV with a V8 or a 1500cc motor be a trophy truck or class 1 or a class BITD already has ?

Thats my thought too. Go race Class 10, or 1 or TT. Lets not try to raise the cost of UTV raising to turn these things into something they were never intended to be..

 

[UTVMike24]

wouldnt a UTV with a V8 or a 1500cc motor be a trophy truck or class 1 or a class BITD already has ?

But not on a UTV platform ... Jim has customers that want to keep the Polaris motor but want to race at 100 mph in the Pro Utv Unlimited class

 

[Johnny]

oh but Jims customers arnt winning with 900 and 1000s and now thew wana go 100 mph?
get the fudge out

 

[JoeyD23]

Sounds like a lot of breaking and not a lot of racing. But its not my money lol

 

[UTVMike24]

oh but Jims customers arnt winning with 900 and 1000s and now thew wana go 100 mph?
get the fuck out

Lol you are correct on that one Johnny.But we did get a 3rd at the UTV championship best finish in our 900

But he doesn't build cars just motors...His customers don't have motor issues on track
But as you go faster to Joeys point more shit breaks...

 

[JoeyD23]

No her car is really a Pro limited car...She was just smart and jumped in that class for points and wins for her sponsors...We pitted her car at Pit B all day. She had no issues and took the win !!

Thats like reverse Sand Bagging! lol

Well played Lacretia, well played...

 

[a.p.s.]

I would like to see a class called unlimited TRUELY unlimited.

But the real reason for my post is that I was told by a local shop manager that he was standing right there when dustin said he had a reflashed ecu by evolution.
So what I have is hear say.
But I have also heard from others that the boost is turned up and other mods done.
That is an unlimited car at that point.
I like the guys at S3. And hope that all I have is hearsay and no proof. But without tech there is no way to tell.
If you have an unlimited class and a limited (current pro class)
It is easy to put guys where they belong.

 

[Rusty5150]

Something is brewing at BITD.


1st Race - 2 Lap Unofficial Results
1st Race - 3 Lap Unofficial Results, not posted at this time, being reviewed
2nd Race - 3 Lap Unofficial Results, updated
Time Credits - 2nd Race Credit, these are not penalties, they are time credits

 

[jaggedx]

JX on Cheating- I do not think anyone is "cheating" in the class and like someone else said, if they are, they suck at it. The top teams seem to be running pretty close! the 1921 car is fast. the 1934 car is fast,the 1918 car is fast.
Our cars and some others are right there. Just to be clear, motor modifications are legal in the class. Just so long as you stay under 1000 cc. I really have no reason to believe any teams are over 1000 cc.
anyone who has spent any time racing in this class knows that h.p. is a small part of having a competitive car.
Like Johnny said you just have to be a bad ass! LOL

JX on Tech- FIrst off, the "equipment" used to check motors DOES check bore and stroke so any displacement infractions can be detected. I think that Cory did the right thing at Parker to show that he would and could check for "cheater" motors. At the MINT there were over 60 cars to be teched. if every car were checked for bore and stroke we would still be there.
My personal opinion is that the UTV class can stand on its own merits and should be absorbed into the rest of the BITD population. I think that the UTVRA was a great thing and that it helped to develop the class but I think it has
outlived its usefulness. As for other safety issues and rule infractions I feel that if it is a safety item then it should be required in order to pass tech and race.
The new sportsman class rules basically say that the tech director can basically let anything race if it resembles a UTV. I think that there should be specific safety requirements to be allowed to race. What if your one race waiver on a safety issue is the race you need that item?
I understand that things can get overlooked at tech but I always hear "safety first" so lets make sure it is.

JX on Turbos- I was told that the class voted to let the Can- Am turbo race in the production class. I have yet to find another racer who admitted to voting that way. When asked by Cory, my "vote" was to allow the Turbo to race in the unlimited pro class until such time that multiple manufacturers offered comparable vehicles.
Yet the decision was made to allow it. Without any formal way of illustrating that this was a "class" decision it certainly could appear to be a Conflict of interest given the final Rule maker is in fact a Can Am team racer.

As for the tech aspect of the turbo car and the "sealed" turbo and "stock" ECU ? I find this very hard to audit.
I dont think that Cory or BITD has a way to accurately inspect for this.

Even with all this controversy we still have the fastest growing and most competitive class out there! LOL

Just my 2 cents here guys
BS JX