crazywatson
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Oh good lord has being politically correct spread to the forums now too? Lol People just need to quit being vaginas!
Cost of Winning: The Monster Mav Chronicles
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badassmav
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And here, I thought I called 'em like I saw 'em. You guys give new meaning to the phrase "telling it like it is"! Still waiting for more info on your rear diff results Jim. Are we up and running? Or, did you already say that it is, and I'm just too old and saturated with Stout to remember
Damn, I love Guinness Stout!
Damn, I love Guinness Stout!
sand shark
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And here, I thought I called 'em like I saw 'em. You guys give new meaning to the phrase "telling it like it is"! Still waiting for more info on your rear diff results Jim. Are we up and running? Or, did you already say that it is, and I'm just too old and saturated with Stout to remember
I think he has been distracted looking at turbo options now that he has a wheelbase and suspension set up that can handle more speed.
motive
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Haha, this is such a great thread. If you don't like Reid flapping his lips, go somewhere else and we'll have fun makeing fun of you!!
Technically you are correct Reid about joints coming to a true node. But that is a minor problem compared to some of the stuff that passes out there. Fitting up tubes is a dieing art at the pro level. With shops going to computer designed, laser cut tubes, it's hard to find someone that does it right manually. Time is money and good enough is easier to sell than done right at a done right price.
Technically you are correct Reid about joints coming to a true node. But that is a minor problem compared to some of the stuff that passes out there. Fitting up tubes is a dieing art at the pro level. With shops going to computer designed, laser cut tubes, it's hard to find someone that does it right manually. Time is money and good enough is easier to sell than done right at a done right price.
badassmav
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These guys always have my back, and will battle right by my side in the trenches. I started this journey alone, and am so happy to have the back up when I am cornered. This is not a "Maverick or bust" thread. It is just a straight forward factual one, and I think that it is gaining more respect as a result. It has been referred to as being "refreshing", which is a pretty generous compliment about a callused old fart like me!
Last post of the day.
When building a UTV, dont box yourself in and only look at UTV's for inspiration. Doing so will fore sure close your mind, and you will build something far less then what could be built, Look & think out outside the box.
There are things on a TT, class 1, class 10, 1600 and even a class 11 if you really look that can be taken and interpreted on a UTV. For example, our 5/1600 car. Its just a 5/1600, but when you look at the details and really think about why this or that was done, you will see things that you might see on a TT or class 1 car, even though its a VW with a beam & torsion bars. Many things we did to this car were way ahead if its time, and somethings have still not been duplicated.
Before you weld a tube, mount a bracket or part. Think about how it is being used, how you will use it in race conditions, and how you use it during prep. Then come up with one or more ways to mount or use that item. After doing this you will find which method is best. At times you see things that look cool or are different, yet when its time they are not functional in race conditions.
Perfect example was ready about clogged air filter at this years Baja 500. And reading that some teams could not change their filters easily, as to how they mounted them. Or if they could it was time consuming. I laughed as this is part of planing & designing the perfect race car. Each & every part must have a reason why its there, and not just because it works. Think about actual function of the part, think about how you might service or replace that part during the race in a pit or in the field. Think about prep and how does it effect the order of prepping the car. And how does that part effect the part & pieces around it.
Our 5/1600 can be stripped 85% if not more with two wrench sizes. 9/16 & 3/4. There is a reason we did this. It was not by chance.
Look at this new Jimco class 10 car. There is allot of inspiration and things that could be incorporated into a UTV. I have personally looked at this car up close at Jimco as it was being built. Look at the weight, only 2500 lbs. That in itself is impressive and should make several UTV builders think about chassis design and weight.
http://www.race-dezert.com/home/coleman-motorsports-class-10-114339.html
When building a UTV, dont box yourself in and only look at UTV's for inspiration. Doing so will fore sure close your mind, and you will build something far less then what could be built, Look & think out outside the box.
There are things on a TT, class 1, class 10, 1600 and even a class 11 if you really look that can be taken and interpreted on a UTV. For example, our 5/1600 car. Its just a 5/1600, but when you look at the details and really think about why this or that was done, you will see things that you might see on a TT or class 1 car, even though its a VW with a beam & torsion bars. Many things we did to this car were way ahead if its time, and somethings have still not been duplicated.
Before you weld a tube, mount a bracket or part. Think about how it is being used, how you will use it in race conditions, and how you use it during prep. Then come up with one or more ways to mount or use that item. After doing this you will find which method is best. At times you see things that look cool or are different, yet when its time they are not functional in race conditions.
Perfect example was ready about clogged air filter at this years Baja 500. And reading that some teams could not change their filters easily, as to how they mounted them. Or if they could it was time consuming. I laughed as this is part of planing & designing the perfect race car. Each & every part must have a reason why its there, and not just because it works. Think about actual function of the part, think about how you might service or replace that part during the race in a pit or in the field. Think about prep and how does it effect the order of prepping the car. And how does that part effect the part & pieces around it.
Our 5/1600 can be stripped 85% if not more with two wrench sizes. 9/16 & 3/4. There is a reason we did this. It was not by chance.
Look at this new Jimco class 10 car. There is allot of inspiration and things that could be incorporated into a UTV. I have personally looked at this car up close at Jimco as it was being built. Look at the weight, only 2500 lbs. That in itself is impressive and should make several UTV builders think about chassis design and weight.
http://www.race-dezert.com/home/coleman-motorsports-class-10-114339.html
This is what we were using on a Teryx in 2008 at the 1000 and 2009 at the 500 and 1000. We also had midboard rear hubs with diffs moved to match the plus 4 a arms front and rear. The shocks are mounted on the lower arms and spun aluminum wheels that bend but dont break. I have this set up on both of my Teryx's.
There is race car stuff out there on UTV's but it's not the norm.
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badassmav
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Hey Hans, the 70's called, and they want their Polaroid back!! Ha heee!
Hey, is that idler arm looking gizmo atop your steering rack a slider that is attached to the gear rack? The round plug at the end where the rack apparently attaches to the "slider" appears to be factory for some reason. Do you still own these cars?
! Hey, is that idler arm looking gizmo atop your steering rack a slider that is attached to the gear rack? The round plug at the end where the rack apparently attaches to the "slider" appears to be factory for some reason. Do you still own these cars?
What does a car like this one cost?
T-wrecks
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New $100-120k ish.
facteryfmf
Looking For a Few Good Men - UTVUnderground Approv
I think it's more than 120k with all the Fortin parts and transmission he has in it
badassmav
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Preparation and Anticipation:
Since we had the frame of the Monster Mav powder coated booger green last year, the car has always been a post repair eye sore. So, in the swan song event for the flying booger, we had some rattle cans mixed up to paint the repaired areas. You lay down a 2 or 3 coat white base, soften it with 400 grit sandpaper, then 4-5 coats of green top coat. Based on my test piece, I'd say the paint co. did a fine job providing us with a color match. Image is everything, so they say. It's gotta look good taking home the gold.
Fair warning guys, you need to be putting in some pre running time. Marc already logged 700 miles in the last 5 days, and he's going back for more twice again before the race. Don't worry about the target on our back. My suggestion to you all is to just find your way to La Paz, and let the chips fall where they may. They might be adding some additional miles to get around some of the problem areas, so be ready for at least 1,200 miles. Some things are inevitable, and we only need to finish 4th or better to bring home the points title. The possibilities for the 3 teams competing for the title is attached.
Since we had the frame of the Monster Mav powder coated booger green last year, the car has always been a post repair eye sore. So, in the swan song event for the flying booger, we had some rattle cans mixed up to paint the repaired areas. You lay down a 2 or 3 coat white base, soften it with 400 grit sandpaper, then 4-5 coats of green top coat. Based on my test piece, I'd say the paint co. did a fine job providing us with a color match. Image is everything, so they say. It's gotta look good taking home the gold.
Fair warning guys, you need to be putting in some pre running time. Marc already logged 700 miles in the last 5 days
, and he's going back for more twice again before the race. Don't worry about the target on our back. My suggestion to you all is to just find your way to La Paz, and let the chips fall where they may. They might be adding some additional miles to get around some of the problem areas, so be ready for at least 1,200 miles. Some things are inevitable, and we only need to finish 4th or better to bring home the points title. The possibilities for the 3 teams competing for the title is attached.Attachments
Hey Hans, the 70's called, and they want their Polaroid back!! Ha heee
Hey, is that idler arm looking gizmo atop your steering rack a slider that is attached to the gear rack? The round plug at the end where the rack apparently attaches to the "slider" appears to be factory for some reason. Do you still own these cars?
Reid, the diff is moved forward 4 inches to match the a arms and keep the axles inline. Do to space restrictions the rack has to be mounted up high to keep the steering geometry correct. The idler (not sure if this is the correct terminology) allows the tie rods to be in the correct position to eliminate bump steer. The round plug is a machined piece that allows a 1/2 bolt to mount it to the rack on each end.
I do actually own a polaroid but those pics were taken with my cell phone.
And yes,I do own 2 Teryx's at this time. I race one in lucas oil short course and one is for prerunning and just going out in the desert with my buddies.
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Hey Hans, the 70's called, and they want their Polaroid back!! Ha heee
Hey, is that idler arm looking gizmo atop your steering rack a slider that is attached to the gear rack? The round plug at the end where the rack apparently attaches to the "slider" appears to be factory for some reason. Do you still own these cars?
I had to download this one from my phone.
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badassmav
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So, the point where the inner tie rod connects to is an idler arm that pivots from some point above the gear rack, and not a sliding assembly attached to the gear rack? Never mind. I just saw your new pic.
crazywatson
#13 - UTVUnderground Approved
He's been post pics on FB looks like a prerun vacation. Too much fun eating tacos visiting with locals. Good times. Lol
crazywatson
#13 - UTVUnderground Approved
Yeah Reid you don't want to do the FB it turns your bad feelings into good it is evil!
badassmav
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I believe that life should be more private than that. There is plenty of contentment at home. Be it Syria, or Sacramento, what is happening there is no concern of mine. My neighbor, now there's an entity that affects my life. I'll focus my interests there.
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