How will the Turbo Maverick affect UTV racing?

[badassmav]

10 H.P. is not enough power to make a stink about. There are far larger advantages that the RZR has over the other 2 (really, just 1) manufacturers. One example is weight bias. Another is clutch diameters and belt lengths. Another, rear trailing arm applications. Need I say more? Besides, there is still too far of a gap between the capabilities of the cars being raced, versus the abilities of the drivers who race them, for modified motors to become a factor (CVT vulnerabilities not withstanding).

I think whoever made the decision to allow turbos to race next season in the pro UTV 1900 class, in stock trim or otherwise, made a bad call. I would question the source if they benefit from it before anyone else has the ability to. One can't argue though, the value of cheap, reliable and accessible horsepower. I also think that hotshot teams like ours or Johnny's drive up the cost of the class, but that's a commentary for another thread.

From what I read here, the class has a lot of close-knit racers who enjoy racing each other, more than they want to win. It seems like the "mom and pop team" mentalities is still abundant here. This class is on the verge of something big, which unfortunately, would not include too many of the small teams currently involved due to cost implications. If more of the big guys would openly share more of what they are doing with the small guys, then the small guys will stand a better chance of survival.

 

[AReed]

 

[BiggJim]

No but the redesigned rear end will.
And what're you guys with "stock" engines gonna do when they start checking displacement size?

Ill just leave this one alone..... But competition is what makes the sport grow. Excited to see what early 2015 has to offer. At this rate PACE off-road is gonna be out of business

You really think the top polaris teams are cheating?!?! LOL thats a hoot!

Maybe the Sheeple can sleep better now knowing that all engines were teched and no one was cheating!! Or maybe the sheeple will just find something else to whine about.

 

[JoeyD23]

No one failed engine inspection that I heard of.

 

[JoeyD23]

WORCS is not allowing the turbos into Production 1000 this year. We decided to let them run in Production 1000 at the UTV World Championship.

 

[Bajaxp]

I wonder if SCORE will allow turbos in the Pro UTV class. I think now they don't. I hope they keep it N.A.

 

[JoeyD23]

I would assume that SCORE will follow suit with BITD. If I was a team who likes to race SCORE like The Murray brothers or Sappington, I would have made some calls before building my Turbo...

Matt, without contacting Roger, who is the contact for UTV rules discussion at SCORE? I always worked with Jake but since he left I don't even know who to reach out too.

 

[JoeyD23]

Bump...

 

[COGNITO]

I am not calling anyone out on cheating, but I will raise a point about wether or not changing the tire size in the ecu is considering re programming or re flashing the ecu/computer. It needs to be clarified wether this is legal or not for a turbo car in the pro class

 

[shane88]

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I am not calling anyone out on cheating, but I will raise a point about wether or not changing the tire size in the ecu is considering re programming or re flashing the ecu/computer. It needs to be clarified wether this is legal or not for a turbo car in the pro class

We are not touching to ecm, it never gets touched nor removed from the car. We simply hook up to the obd port and change the tire size. And from my understanding it changes these parameters in the gauge cluster just like the screen message on a Can-am so its mute point. We would never want to do anything that would be considered cheating, in fact I don't know how anyone could even take pride in racing or winning knowing they are breaking the rules.

 

[dezerteryx]

From what it said in the rules in the oth r thread it said no after market ecu or type of programmer. It said it had to have the stock ecu. So changing tire size using can am dealer would be with in the guide lines of the rules.

 

[shane88]

Also since this is a discussion, I would like to make some valid points and someone think about this.

A factory bore RZR 1000 motor built up by Mark Queen can make 150rwhp. Some other builders are seeing 120-130rwhp. The Rzr clutches are bigger with longer belt to handle higher hp.

A factory turbo Can-am with the factory turbo that can't be change can only support 120rwhp, if you push it beyond that the turbo will not survive. Even if someone did motor mods or aftermarket ecm to a Can-am they are still limited to 120rwhp by the factory turbo.
Also the Can-am clutches are such a small diameter that they can only handle 80+mph for a very short period of time and can barley handle the factory turbo power of 90rwhp as Dustin and myself found out in Laughlin.

So with all these FACTS how can someone argue that the Can-am Turbo has a advantage?

In fact the Rzr 1000 still has a HP advantage and CVT advantage period.

 

[M1028]

So you have to run a factory ecu. How do the guys with built engines tune them for more power? I'm guessing fuel and ignition systems are allowed to be altered but you can't touch the ecu?

 

[BiggJim]

Dyno numbers are all smoke and mirrors.....Every engine builder's numbers are all over the map....shits good for bench racing and thats about it.

 

[COGNITO]

Who ever is claiming 150 hp on a built bitd car, should also post what their dyno says on a stock car. My bet is the numbers are within twenty percent.

 

[shane88]

Im just going off Queens numbers that he's posted on Facebook, Ive seen a some he's posted in the 140s and others in the 150s. Last time I checked his stuff seems to prove that his dyno numbers are correct by their results on the race course.

 

[COGNITO]

Maybe queen will post up his dyno numbers of a stock xp1k, then the relation can be made in percentage, of the increase in power. Our car at the wheels makes 12% more power than stock. That is all we want for longevity reasons.

 

[shane88]

Well your making 3 more hp than us..... but the turbo can ams make %40 more torque than the Rzr so that helps a lot, but like Ive said our belts don't like it.

 

[COGNITO]

Team S3, congrats on your win btw! Teams like you help drive teams like ours, and drive the sport. See you in May!

 

[JoeyD23]

Told you guys this was going to happen!! the can of worms is wide open. Eat up....