How will the Turbo Maverick affect UTV racing?

[warlock]

One of the advantages Polaris enjoys over Can-am in the CVT department is pulley diameter, and the distance between clutch centers. The larger secondary pulley/sheave diameter affords the clutch more leverage at the bottom end, or off the line. Add to that ,the increased distance between the primary and secondary pulleys on the Polaris, and the result is a longer drive belt. This translates to less overall belt wear and heat build per mile driven because the work being done by the longer belt, at any given point in the belt, will be less than that of a shorter belt, by the same proportions of the difference in surface area of the two belts. I know, it's a mouthful, but it's the only way I can explain it.

The jest of it is that the longer Polaris drive belts simply offers more surface area than the shorter Can-am ones. The belt is in contact with the pulleys for a shorter period of time, per mile driven, than the Can-am belts, therefore, minimizing the wear the belt sees.

Your Right about the belt length for sure. Its like the SR1 car guys and if they run to short of a chain on them the chain just over heats and dies.
The Can Am guys have been out all summer long testing in the heat of Glamis and from what I have heard was only a couple of Belt issues so it sounds like the clutching is working and cooling out good.

 

[JoeyD23]

NEW BITD RULE CHANGE.... I am not sure how I feel about it. I think it just opened another can of worms.... When Polaris drops their turbo I think people will have wished Turbos weren't allowed..


SCR 33: TURBOCHARGERS
Aftermarket turbochargers are allowed in the UTV Unlimited Class. UTV Pro
production class does allow turbochargers, they must be stock factory equiptment.
No changes, adjustments or modifications are allow, the turbo must remain exactly
as delivered from the factory. Turbochargers must be sealed.

 

[JoeyD23]

NEW BITD RULE CHANGE.... I am not sure how I feel about it. I think it just opened another can of worms.... When Polaris drops their turbo I think people will have wished Turbos weren't allowed..


SCR 33: TURBOCHARGERS
Aftermarket turbochargers are allowed in the UTV Unlimited Class. UTV Pro
production class does allow turbochargers, they must be stock factory equiptment.
No changes, adjustments or modifications are allow, the turbo must remain exactly
as delivered from the factory. Turbochargers must be sealed.

 

[sand shark]

I guess we will be seeing a few turbo Mavericks next season. The Can Am racers can't complain they don't have the same top speed of the XP anymore.

It will be interesting to see if the belt set up on the turbo Maverick will hold up any better and allow the racers to utilize the better top speed. Also how is that turbo going to hold up to desert racing.

 

[NIKAL]

So now to keep the class rules the same across all the series, does Score follow BITD and do they allow Turbo's in the Pro Class? Or does Score create another class for Turbo's, or do they ban turbo's in the UTV class all together?

With Jake no longer running Score Tech, and with Art being the go to guy, I dont see Art making this call. I'm not even sure how much Art knows about the UTV class rules? My guess is Score's decision is going to be a political one, as Score has a relationship with Polaris and I'm sure they will consult with Polaris before any change in the rules.

 

[mearsman]

Everyone knows Polaris is coming with a turbo. Just a matter of time, so it'll be a non issue

 

[JoeyD23]

Everyone knows Polaris is coming with a turbo. Just a matter of time, so it'll be a non issue

Personally, I think its the opposite. I think we just opened a can of worms. Once the Polaris turbo drops one can only assume it will be BIGGER HP than the Can-Am (thats the game being played) and probably MORE EXPENSIVE to buy. Now all the big guys, especially sponsored guys, will go Turbo forcing anyone else who wants to play ball to go Turbo. All of this so maybe what 2 or 3 guys / teams max can race a Turbo Maverick next year?

I dunno. I think its a terrible decision but then again I will fully respect those decisions made. They are not easy to make.

And to just make something clear. Polaris, those inside the company and actively involved on the racing side, said "bring it on", as it pertained to the turbo being allowed to race in the pro class. They are not concerned and if I read between the lines that would make me think because we will at some point next year see a Turbo. I can't say this for sure so don't quote me but I think the writing is on the wall and I think UTV racing just got that much more expensive.

 

[Ignore Amos]

I personally believe its not in the best interest of Desert Racing...I dont believe that BRP would think its a good thing either...it opens a can of worms not just in a HP war..but other things like by pass shocks etc... I have a lot of thoughts and some opinions...but am buried with work right now.

I hope this gets reversed..

 

[mearsman]

Personally, I think its the opposite. I think we just opened a can of worms. Once the Polaris turbo drops one can only assume it will be BIGGER HP than the Can-Am (thats the game being played) and probably MORE EXPENSIVE to buy. Now all the big guys, especially sponsored guys, will go Turbo forcing anyone else who wants to play ball to go Turbo. All of this so maybe what 2 or 3 guys / teams max can race a Turbo Maverick next year?

I dunno. I think its a terrible decision but then again I will fully respect those decisions made. They are not easy to make.

And to just make something clear. Polaris, those inside the company and actively involved on the racing side, said "bring it on", as it pertained to the turbo being allowed to race in the pro class. They are not concerned and if I read between the lines that would make me think because we will at some point next year see a Turbo. I can't say this for sure so don't quote me but I think the writing is on the wall and I think UTV racing just got that much more expensive.

I agree it should be normally aspirated engines only. But that begs the question, which is more expensive, the turbo setup or big displacement motors with head work and so on?

People are gonna find out real quick that high horsepower in these machines isn't really an advantage. Look at the lucky 7 crew at v2R. I woulda put money that he would be up front. But with all the power comes issues with the clutch. He went through 2 clutch setups before calling it quits.

However I don't believe it was a total loss of time. You guys know it's always about pushing the envelope and doing what others don't have the knowledge or balls to do. Sure someone might show up at the 1000 with a turbo model but I doubt it. It was a well thought out and timed release to say that turbos could be used. So this tells me that before the next race that that playing field will be leveled as far as which company has a turbo and which doesn't. I believe it's a moot point as the turbo doesn't really give the can am that much more top end. I drove it last weekend and where it really shines is in the torque department. When you get to the steep dunes it just flat out keeps pulling.

 

[the stripping shop]

Personally, I think its the opposite. I think we just opened a can of worms. Once the Polaris turbo drops one can only assume it will be BIGGER HP than the Can-Am (thats the game being played) and probably MORE EXPENSIVE to buy. Now all the big guys, especially sponsored guys, will go Turbo forcing anyone else who wants to play ball to go Turbo. All of this so maybe what 2 or 3 guys / teams max can race a Turbo Maverick next year?

I dunno. I think its a terrible decision but then again I will fully respect those decisions made. They are not easy to make.

And to just make something clear. Polaris, those inside the company and actively involved on the racing side, said "bring it on", as it pertained to the turbo being allowed to race in the pro class. They are not concerned and if I read between the lines that would make me think because we will at some point next year see a Turbo. I can't say this for sure so don't quote me but I think the writing is on the wall and I think UTV racing just got that much more expensive.

you are right on the can of worms but I would say if the turbo weren't allowed there is not much competition for Polaris. I believe craig said competition is what drives sales for all manufactures. If Polaris is the only one racing and competing with there selves why race. I think Polaris and can am both need the competition to drive sales.

 

[Kalop]

Polaris, those inside the company and actively involved on the racing side, said "bring it on", as it pertained to the turbo being allowed to race in the pro class.

That's what I'm talking about !!!! Bring it on ... let them duke it out, going to be cool testing ground... will maverick hold up? Will it make that much a difference??

Me likey.

 

[facteryfmf]

I agree it should be normally aspirated engines only. But that begs the question, which is more expensive, the turbo setup or big displacement motors with head work and so on?

People are gonna find out real quick that high horsepower in these machines isn't really an advantage. Look at the lucky 7 crew at v2R. I woulda put money that he would be up front. But with all the power comes issues with the clutch. He went through 2 clutch setups before calling it quits.

However I don't believe it was a total loss of time. You guys know it's always about pushing the envelope and doing what others don't have the knowledge or balls to do. Sure someone might show up at the 1000 with a turbo model but I doubt it. It was a well thought out and timed release to say that turbos could be used. So this tells me that before the next race that that playing field will be leveled as far as which company has a turbo and which doesn't. I believe it's a moot point as the turbo doesn't really give the can am that much more top end. I drove it last weekend and where it really shines is in the torque department. When you get to the steep dunes it just flat out keeps pulling.

I believe these are 2015 BITD rules only..... I don't think a turbo can race either organization this year for points....

 

[warlock]

I agree it should be normally aspirated engines only. But that begs the question, which is more expensive, the turbo setup or big displacement motors with head work and so on?

People are gonna find out real quick that high horsepower in these machines isn't really an advantage. Look at the lucky 7 crew at v2R. I woulda put money that he would be up front. But with all the power comes issues with the clutch. He went through 2 clutch setups before calling it quits.

However I don't believe it was a total loss of time. You guys know it's always about pushing the envelope and doing what others don't have the knowledge or balls to do. Sure someone might show up at the 1000 with a turbo model but I doubt it. It was a well thought out and timed release to say that turbos could be used. So this tells me that before the next race that that playing field will be leveled as far as which company has a turbo and which doesn't. I believe it's a moot point as the turbo doesn't really give the can am that much more top end. I drove it last weekend and where it really shines is in the torque department. When you get to the steep dunes it just flat out keeps pulling.

Who's kidding who here. These teams are so worried about a stock Turbo motor that makes a 121 HP really. There not worried at all. There all running built up Polaris motors that make way more power than the Turbo Rotax. I remember Mark Queen claiming a 140 HP and then Polaris builds motors for Jagged x for each individual race. So maybe there needs to be factory stock sealed motors in all of the cars if we're claiming to be all stock. Right.

 

[crazywatson]

Should be fun to watch what happens.

 

[megadesertdiesel]

Who's kidding who here. These teams are so worried about a stock Turbo motor that makes a 121 HP really. There not worried at all. There all running built up Polaris motors that make way more power than the Turbo Rotax. I remember Mark Queen claiming a 140 HP and then Polaris builds motors for Jagged x for each individual race. So maybe there needs to be factory stock sealed motors in all of the cars if we're claiming to be all stock. Right.

I would agree. All the big teams get their motors all built up, balanced and tested from engine builders like Kroger and Queen. They don't just take a new crate motor and run it.

 

[facteryfmf]

Kroger makes some yummy motors for sure

 

[warlock]

I would agree. All the big teams get their motors all built up, balanced and tested from engine builders like Kroger and Queen. They don't just take a new crate motor and run it.

Kroger makes some yummy motors for sure

Kroyer I think Right. Justin. The Motors these Polaris Teams are Racing with are Highly built and Tuned to the Max. So they really don't car about this Turbo motor , But what worries them is the fact that the Turbo Motor can be turned up and really be a threat. Now that there has been enough crying about it they got them to try and Seal them or make it so they cant be modified to make more power so everyone should happy about that now cause there Built Motors still make more power now than the Stock Turbo. Period.

 

[facteryfmf]

What happens when the polaris turbo comes out early 2015? Canam will once again be behind the ball and out HP'd.

 

[Bajaxp]

Personally I think that UTVRA should have waited until two manufacturers had turbos before allowing them in the Pro UTV class. It is not like Can Am doesn't have a normally aspirated 1000 to race. But in the end I really don't care. Bring it! It is only 10 hp more than a normally aspirated 2015 RZR anyway and RZR's typically are lighter.

As for the comment that most top race teams have totally built motors anyway, that is not true. Jagged X raced with a Kroyer (Kroger ha ha...they make doughnuts and sell milk) built motor in 2012 and early on in 2013. But we went back to stock motors and won both the SCORE and BITD championships in 2013 and Currently we are leading BITD and sitting third in points in SCORE. So, the point is you don't need 'built' engines to win in the Pro UTV class. And this is relevant for the turbo Mav discussion; the hp advantage isn't going to win races for them, but a well set up car, driving skill and reliability will.

My 2 pesos!

 

[Rusty5150]

Will the turbo keep the wheels from flying off? If so, then Can-Am is on to something.


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