BITD/UTVRA 2011 rules update

[pride_in_motion]

I have discussed this with TATUM and I am allowing rotax swaps in our mod class in the FORMULA DESERT LITES RACES. FDL will have payout in 2011, 6 races with some exciting things to be announced. We are having a special for the last race of 2010...$65 entry fee $25 IRC tracker and 3 50 mile laps. After the race we are having a meeting to answer questions and get feedback for the 2011 season. Even if you dont race come on out to watch and get your thoughts in on the rules. HIJACK COMPLETE...

 

[Big Guy]

BITD/UTVRA rules are not made by one person. The original rules were written by me. In the last 5 years any rule changes were made by the collective decision of a group. The members of this group are the past and present BITD/UTVRA racers and Casey Folks, Tim Orchard, Bill Schuler, Lee Perfect, and the manufactures of UTVs.
Tech inspection for UTVs is done for class compliance and safety. The UTVRA has 5 tech inspectors; Cory, Eric, Matt, Billy, Donavan.
The UTVRA is run by 2 people Cory and Eric.

Calling me and the UTVRA a joke and asking me to "step down" upsets me, my family and my friends.
It is counter productive and not good for our sport!

Hey Cory I think most of us appreciate you and all you have done for our sport. It seems like most of the people that are complaining havent even raced in BITD. But you still have to try to look at it from there point of view. I for one would rather you tech my car over a BITD official I dont see a problem with that. I could see it if you were out winning every race but that is not the case. You coming on here and voicing your opinion is going to be a big help and answer a lot of unanswered questions. Stay active on this thread and just remember we all have at least one thing in common........

 

[the stripping shop]

BITD/UTVRA rules are not made by one person. The original rules were written by me. In the last 5 years any rule changes were made by the collective decision of a group. The members of this group are the past and present BITD/UTVRA racers and Casey Folks, Tim Orchard, Bill Schuler, Lee Perfect, and the manufactures of UTVs.
Tech inspection for UTVs is done for class compliance and safety. The UTVRA has 5 tech inspectors; Cory, Eric, Matt, Billy, Donavan.
The UTVRA is run by 2 people Cory and Eric.

Calling me and the UTVRA a joke and asking me to "step down" upsets me, my family and my friends.
It is counter productive and not good for our sport!

Then lets make this productive, lets get real board started i beleive Lee perfect from lucas would agree. Lets make this happen i beleive lucas oil has 9 people on there board lets start there, or come up with a reasonable number. There real titles ex. Pres,vice pres,treasure,contingency rep,tech inspector,rules rep,drivers rep,competion dir. maybe we start there. Now who should fill those roles. and just like any car club you can be voted out through your peers.

 

[Team Green]

I guess I must have missed the manufactures meeting where this was discussed!

Those that do like racing and are involved only want to see the sport grow and unfortunately without a solid UTV sanctioning body (not a bash on Cory) there is a great deal of counter productive stuff going on out there right now. You pick the series or promoter and there is going to be issues because this is a new growing (slowly) sport.

I'm involved in a great variety of racing venues and I don't think that I can name one sanctioning body that makes the rules and is an active competitor at the same time.

 

[pride_in_motion]

I am sorry I posted in this thread, not for my hijack but for the nature of the thread. I am not a BITD racer, in fact I do not own or plan to own a UTV. With that said I looked back through this thread and I am shocked by some of the comments about or thinly veiled jabs at Cory. Have any of you seen a situation where he has let his racing a UTV affect decisions while doing tech, or giving penalties to help his car advance? I doubt it and that would be the only reason you could have to make those kinds of allegations. Cory has done an awful lot to help advance this sport, so maybe you should remember that, unless he does something to harm it.

 

[the stripping shop]

I am sorry I posted in this thread, not for my hijack but for the nature of the thread. I am not a BITD racer, in fact I do not own or plan to own a UTV. With that said I looked back through this thread and I am shocked by some of the comments about or thinly veiled jabs at Cory. Have any of you seen a situation where he has let his racing a UTV affect decisions while doing tech, or giving penalties to help his car advance? I doubt it and that would be the only reason you could have to make those kinds of allegations. Cory has done an awful lot to help advance this sport, so maybe you should remember that, unless he does something to harm it.

i will take a jab at you then do you race your series,do you tech your series,do you make the rules in your series and last but not least do you have the final say in your series. and yes his responsibility got in my way last year the only race we ever won was stripped from us. Because cory was late to tech rushed everyone through so we could go on to drivers meeting. On us there was little piece of the puzzle missing. I would say a huge part but he let us through to dominate and win the race. But when he pushed/pulled mike cook to finish he took our first place away. I forgot in his rules you were not to allow any assistant to finish line.But he spoke to casey and it was allowed. Nascar wouldn't of done that. My point is if there was a board of guys to make this series bigger we would all benefit. Ex if we had a tech inspector he could put his 2cents in, If we had competition dir"to make sure all playing fields were on level ground". a Driver rep" so the driver have some input" A contingency dir "so we can have a real winning purse"I won $680 dollar for sec last race cost $875 to enter race. My point is we need more involved instead of just erik and cory. Because just like your series if one was incharge of all and raced there would be a huge conflict of interest.

 

[450grl]

These cars are fun to watch but I am not sure they are good for utv racing.If LOORS goes to 1000cc I dont think the SR1 cars would even come close to the real UTVs.

I disagree.....the SR1's make a great desert racer.

 

[rupert14]

I disagree.....the SR1's make a great desert racer.

Having raced a short course car with a CBR1000 this season, I think the bike powered UTV's are phenominal. We run on pump gas, have tons of power, and they sound great. Until we built some duct work our car would peak at over 270 degrees. We did that four times until we got the cooling worked out. The motor still ran but we decided to change it. For the cost of porting on one rhino head, not including valves etc, I was able to replace the entire long block. With that comes fuel injection, a whole new trans/clutch etc. Try to touch that affordability and power with any UTV and you will see the value in the bike powered cars. I was skeptical until I had one but now I understand.

 

[rockstarcustomz]

If they would let us race SR1 in the pro class, I would for sure put one in my Rhino. I have seen Corry's in the desert and it works!

 

[Makin' Trax]

I have just read this entire thread, and can't say that I have never heard not one complaint or suggestion before in all my years of involvement in racing. I have been involed in offroad road racing in one form or another since 1973. Everything you guys are saying has been said over and over in those years.

First, there has never been money to be made unless you were a paid driver. The cost of racing, prep, travel expenses, entry fees, ect., well out weigh the return in purse $$. Traditionally the payback is 50% to 60%. The only way to get a higher purse is to race in a class with a higher entry count. I remember when class 1 had 20 entries and 1-2 1600 had 60 plus. The purse for winning the Baja 1000 in class 1 was less than coming in 5th - 7th in 1-2 1600. With that said, if changing the rules in a production based class will allow all the manufactuers in to the class, then it is a legitimate change now with rumors of RZR going to 850 and the commander is out with a 1000 as well as the Artic Cat 1000 existing. So if you feel you are out classed due to engine size, that is progress, that is racing!

In all forms of racing it isn't long before the grass roots classes become cost prohibitive to race any more. So what do you do with your out dated or non competitive equipment? Sell or use it to play, race in a series that you are still competitive, or group up and create a class like 800 cc or under. Class 10, 1-2 1600, Class 12 all are classes that were created due to rule changes and progress in the sport.

My heart goes out to those that have spent money to stay within the rules and now due to the rule changes feel you will be out gunned. You certainly have a right to complain, but it doesn't change the fact that sport changes and so do the rules. As far as Corey and the rules and teching, I believe his interest is for the good of the sport and not for personal gain. I do feel though that the suggestion of a committee with representaion of drivers and all manufactuers is the only fair way to make rule changes that affect so many. Corey, add the 1000 cc production class, don't change the 800cc production class rules. Otherwise, you will lose entries instead of gain. My $.02

 

[tatum]

I disagree.....the SR1's make a great desert racer.

I should have been more clear,I meant promoting utv racing.Since these are more of a buggy I dont see them bringing manufactures to the table.

I think a lack of reverse could hurt a little in desert racing and the lack of low end would hurt on technical tracks but there is a definite HP advantage.

I think these also make a fun dune vehicle.

 

[450grl]

I gotcha.....

Lacrecia, you should slap an R1 into your Rhino and come race some short course races with us in Lucas next year! I am considering racing in at least one BITD race next season.....I love those longer races!

And yes.....the posts on here lately leave me frustrated and trying to figure out how something that began as just a lot of fun turns into a bunch of drama - re: short course AND desert. Makes me realize why a lot of pro racers just avoid the internet altogether.....

 

[Big Guy]

I also say 2 pro classes 760cc-1000 and 660cc-760cc (760cc is stock RZR) With all the guys building new cars the old cars are going to be sold and they need a class to race in. There will be guys looking for deals on old race cars that are BITD leagel. Why would they spend the money to race an older car that would not be able to compete??

 

[Darryl89]

Why not open the Pro UTV class up to 1000cc and then let the smaller, older machines be the ones that run sportsman class. Usually the bigger, faster machines are the ones that the serious racers are going to gravitate towards anyway, the smaller, older machines are going to become great machines for newcomers to the sport to buy and run.
Start placing too many restrictions on the bigger cc machines, and those drivers will just end up moving into a buggy or truck class and then UTVs will remain a little time proposition that promoters won't care to deal with. People want to see speed, they want go fast, not go slow... promoters are going to promote what spectators and fans want and sponsors are going to lean towards the faster machines that win...
So, wanna kill the sport, don't let it grow, keep the rules geared to the backyard racers...
BITD, SNORE, SCORE and LOORS are bigtime events, if someone wants to race a tired old 660cc car, there are plenty of amatuer avenues for them to dice it out in.
Corry, wouldn't you agree that the more air your car catches and the faster it goes, the more the crowd responds...that's what promoters want...

 

[rupert14]

Why not open the Pro UTV class up to 1000cc and then let the smaller, older machines be the ones that run sportsman class. Usually the bigger, faster machines are the ones that the serious racers are going to gravitate towards anyway, the smaller, older machines are going to become great machines for newcomers to the sport to buy and run.
Start placing too many restrictions on the bigger cc machines, and those drivers will just end up moving into a buggy or truck class and then UTVs will remain a little time proposition that promoters won't care to deal with. People want to see speed, they want go fast, not go slow... promoters are going to promote what spectators and fans want and sponsors are going to lean towards the faster machines that win...
So, wanna kill the sport, don't let it grow, keep the rules geared to the backyard racers...
BITD, SNORE, SCORE and LOORS are bigtime events, if someone wants to race a tired old 660cc car, there are plenty of amatuer avenues for them to dice it out in.
Corry, wouldn't you agree that the more air your car catches and the faster it goes, the more the crowd responds...that's what promoters want...

You must be new to racing. Talk to those that have been here a while and you will see that as things go faster and new things come out, classes often dwindle. The point is not to limit the bigger cars, just let them race eachother without killing the turnout they already have. The goal is to build on the racing we already have, not throw all the cars away and start over. As the Baja cars got faster, other classes developed like 5/1600 etc to let the cars already built keep racing while some people kept making things bigger and faster. I realize you are building a 1000 which is why you want to race all the smaller cars. I know how it is as I have a very fast short course UTV based car that runs a weller carrier, gear one hubs, and an CBR1000. It is fun to race but in all honesty, it was more fun last year when I was racing a rhino and we would have 20+ cars at a race. Now that cars like mine dominate our field, no one comes. Last race we had one competator and there was one race earlier this year that we ran alone. Again the goal is not to stop you from building your car and racing it, the goal is to add to the turnout we already have.

 

[Darryl89]

You must be new to racing. Talk to those that have been here a while and you will see that as things go faster and new things come out, classes often dwindle. The point is not to limit the bigger cars, just let them race eachother without killing the turnout they already have. The goal is to build on the racing we already have, not throw all the cars away and start over.

No, not new to racing, just took a few years off. Used to race 2 wheeled classes desert and mx as well as spent many years pavement racing.
Why not move the older, slower cars to the sportsman class and let the faster cars stay in the Pro class. That's what most racing venues do. That way, someone new to the sport can buy a used Rhino and go race in classes that aren't breakneck and expensive. But as the breed of race UTVs improve, new cars will be built that will attract more sponsors. Think about it, restrict improvements in racing and the manufacturers won't have the feedback to improve machines as much.
Sorry, but it seems like you just want to keep your old, small engined Rhino in the limelight of racing. That is fine, but don't let it spoil the progression of racing.
And I've never seen racing die out as the classes got faster, hey, SX and MX have a heck of a lot more attendance now than they used to have... it hasn't hurt those sports...

 

[rupert14]

No, not new to racing, just took a few years off. Used to race 2 wheeled classes desert and mx as well as spent many years pavement racing.
Why not move the older, slower cars to the sportsman class and let the faster cars stay in the Pro class. That's what most racing venues do. That way, someone new to the sport can buy a used Rhino and go race in classes that aren't breakneck and expensive. But as the breed of race UTVs improve, new cars will be built that will attract more sponsors. Think about it, restrict improvements in racing and the manufacturers won't have the feedback to improve machines as much.
Sorry, but it seems like you just want to keep your old, small engined Rhino in the limelight of racing. That is fine, but don't let it spoil the progression of racing.
And I've never seen racing die out as the classes got faster, hey, SX and MX have a heck of a lot more attendance now than they used to have... it hasn't hurt those sports...

The "rhino" was sold last year and I really don't care about racing another rhino. I have a Teryx that has the best of everything and it is no big deal to me to put an even bigger motor in it. If you have been out a while welcome back. No hard feelings I just don't want this series to do what so many have done and dwindle to a couple cars to race against. More people get excited about a pro class and more come to race. The bigger motors do make a difference on the flat stuff. We can all go the same speed in the rough but the fast cars on the flats make up a lot of time that often wins a race. People have posted here in this thread stating they are done racing as their cars will not be competative. I have seen one RZR for sale as the owner told me he could not afford to build another car and the pro class is going to 1000cc. I can afford plenty of racing but it is no fun if there is no one to race aginst. MX racing is growing because people can't afford to build new desert cars every two years. Bikes are cheap. My team memeber is a national rally car champ that just won a series on a quad for that very reason. I don't argue that keeping the pro class for the fastest guys is a bad idea, I just think there needs to be some place for the current cars to race that does have a CC limit. I will be racing pro no matter what the limit is.

 

[Darryl89]

I can see where you are coming from...no hard feelings at all.
I can see your points about keeping as many in racing as possible. I would rather race against 10 other cars than 2 or 3...

by the way, that is a nice nice looking car, you've done good on it...

 

[howyadoin]

Car is looking great! That interior is pimpin'!