**ATTN: Racers/Teams** UTV Desert Rules Discussion

[the stripping shop]

this is an easy one for all the big bore and 1000 guys for this year. Bitd is having half off for the next two races come and race lets see how many show up. Its called the sportsman class and i beleive we have had only 1 different car show up every race. The street bike car was the only one to beat all the pro class. The big bore kawasaki at vegas to reno got second to jaggedx and they run a rzrs motor. i would like to see the class grow move the cc to 1000 and no weight limit. Don't forget we are the red headed step child to BITD and what that means if UTVRA doesn't do it it wont be done. I am pretty sure cory is one man he can't do tech/cc all the motors and weigh all the vehicles at the end and beging of all races.So the rules have to be simple or they are going to get only minor changes. Ex. move class to 850cc and no weight limit.This is an ex of what the easiest decision cory would have.You don't piss off the rhino guys and give on the kawasaki guys.I want the 1000cc and no weight limits.It will help the sport grow and for the guys that want different classes come to the last 2 races of the year from beging to end. You will see why we dont have that option right now especially when we are at henderson.

 

[JoeyD23]

If you race a Can-Am 1000cc you shouldnt have to spend hardly any money on motor........

 

[rupert14]

Perhaps I built too early

I have a car that I am trying to get to the blue water this year. It will be ready but I may have a conflicting family activity that could keep me from making it. I tried for the VTR but was not ready. I realize that sometime the rules must change but currently every car racing was built to the current rules. Perhaps we should not throw them out, just make racing more friendly so more can race. I agree with those that say:

up to 800cc
800 to 1K inculding engine swaps
Sportsman for all others

Having won a whiplash series last year, and being first in the pro unlimited points with a bike powered car this year, I can say that the over 800 and engine swap cars are much faster than a reliably built rhino/teryx/RZR motor. Winning a desert series is about finishing and not always speed. Anyone can win if they finish. I won a series and never took first till the 9th race. We do need to keep the classes condensed.

If you allow engine swaps to run with the 800 and up cars you might get guys that can swap a built Teryx, Commander, Prowler motor into their race rhinos and get them out racing again. There are tons of built rhinos in garages collecting dust because they dont' thinik they are competative to race anymore. I sold a series winning rhino last year because I wanted to run a kawi motor and no one would let me swap a motor into my rhino and keep racing. Allow any engine swap up to 1k to race together and let's get those old race rhinos out on the track. Keep the # of classes small because this year in whiplash it is getting boring as fewer and fewer pro unlimited cars are showing up to race with us.

Hope to see you at the Blue Water

 

[jaggedx]

So guys? Where are at with this? I know Cory has been watching this discusion and we have all raised some good points here and now the thread seems to just die. We need to get together and firm things up for the begining of the 2011 season in BITD not to mention getting a set of rules together for the new SNORE opportunity.
Are we still going to have a meeting at Parker or ?

Let's stay focused here!

BS JX

 

[Darryl89]

Maybe it's time to ask a mod to add a poll to this thread.
Perhaps worded like this:

What classes should be included for UTV racing:

A: As current UTVRA rules state- Pro UTV Class (which includes all manufactures engines and aftermarket kits based on OEM engines up to 1000cc), Sportsman UTV-which includes any UTV not legal for Pro UTV or SR1, and SR1 Class

B: Small Bore UTV up to 800cc, 801cc-1000cc OEM engined Class, SR1, with breakouts in each class for Pro and Sportsman Classes

C: Run what ya brung (ie: KOH UTV race)

D: Factory Stock UTV (OEM stock with safety mods), Modified Stock (Aftermarket Shocks, Exhaust, Wheels and Tires, with safety mods), Pro Class as in the AZGP series.

E: Other....


Vote if you are racing or will seriously consider racing any series using these rules.


Anyone feel free to add to or take away or change wording...

 

[Bajaxp]

Cory is working on 2011 rules. He said he was going to put them up here and on his site ASAP. When I talked to him, he said that he wanted to keep them simple to increase car count.

The only reason we would need to have a meeting in Parker is if we hate the rules...but I doubt this will be the case. Let's go racing!

 

[rzr 1930]

Jon and I along with the other UTV racers have been talking about this subject for quite some time, after reading these posts I think it makes sense for the one class rule. HP is always nice but you have to finish the race first. The fast cars are not always the first cars, I know this because I have been racing the Fabtech Rhino for the past few years. I finally sold the mighty Rhino and bought a RZR, there are always going to be faster cars out there but not all will make it to the finish. Lets keep it simple. Why are we all waiting for Cory, is he above all this to just sit on the side lines? We have been talking about moving forward without Cory. When it comes right down to it what exactly are we paying for to be part of the UTVRA? Contingency nope, consistency nope, more expense definetly. We have been racing the VORRA series this past year, and funny thing has happened the class is slolwly but surely growing, and no UTVRA. The rules we have all been talking about make alot of sense but breaking up the group into many smaller pieces just doesn't make sense. Just run it with a cap on the cc's but utilize the rest of the rules i.e pivot points, 2 seats, etc. etc.

Just my 2 cents.......

 

[tatum]

Re: Perhaps I built too early

I have a car that I am trying to get to the blue water this year. It will be ready but I may have a conflicting family activity that could keep me from making it. I tried for the VTR but was not ready. My car has over 45K into it and it was built specifically to be 800cc and less because of the BITD rules. I realize that sometime the rules must change but currently every car racing was built to the current rules. Perhaps we should not throw them out, just make racing more friendly so more can race. I agree with those that say:

up to 800cc
800 to 1K inculding engine swaps
Sportsman for all others

Having won a whiplash series last year, and being first in the pro unlimited points with a bike powered car this year, I can say that the over 800 and engine swap cars are much faster than a reliably built rhino/teryx/RZR motor. Winning a desert series is about finishing and not always speed. Anyone can win if they finish. I won a series and never took first till the 9th race. We do need to keep the classes condensed.

If you allow engine swaps to run with the 800 and up cars you might get guys that can swap a built Teryx, Commander, Prowler motor into their race rhinos and get them out racing again. There are tons of built rhinos in garages collecting dust because they dont' thinik they are competative to race anymore. I sold a series winning rhino last year because I wanted to run a kawi motor and no one would let me swap a motor into my rhino and keep racing. Allow any engine swap up to 1k to race together and let's get those old race rhinos out on the track. Keep the # of classes small because this year in whiplash it is getting boring as fewer and fewer pro unlimited cars are showing up to race with us.

Hope to see you at the Blue Water

You won a whiplash series in a street bike powered trophy kart racing in a utv class.I would think you would be more open to one class.

 

[the stripping shop]

i think it will be crappy if we only move cc to 850 just to let john deere in. They should have to build a motor under the cc rule Brp and articat did it. So if we change the rule for one we should change the rule for all. I think we all should get together after drivers meeting or have one arm band guy rep your team to discuss and see were rules are at. Just my 2 cents

 

[Darryl89]

i think it will be crappy if we only move cc to 850 just to let john deere in. They should have to build a motor under the cc rule Brp and articat did it. So if we change the rule for one we should change the rule for all. I think we all should get together after drivers meeting or have one arm band guy rep your team to discuss and see were rules are at. Just my 2 cents

I don't think you'll really ever see a John Deere in one of these races, they build true utility machines like the Ranger and Mule are.

Seems that quite a few of the experienced drivers have stated, cc's don't really matter near as much as the ability to make your car survive the race. So that being said, I think keep it simple, keep the rules somewhat along what UTVRA has already, but increase the cc's to 1000. Allow Can Am, Cat and any others in. If the racers see one certain size or build of car having an advantage over others, that can be handled down the road. SR1's might have a speed advantage, but they are only 2 wheel drive, so there is a disadvantage for them on some courses. Heck, I may even be running my Prowler 1000 as a 2 wheel drive car on some courses.
I still like the 3 class setup, Pro-UTV, Sportsman UTV and SR1, but if the sport needs to have classes combined to ensure more participants and more true competition, so be it...

 

[JoeyD23]

UTVRA 2011 Rules Changes have been made....

http://www.utvunderground.com/f17/bitd-utvra-2011-rules-update-4467.html