Parker Draw Order

[It'sYourLegacy]

The start order was predicated on 'who started every race' in 2015 or put another way who spent the most money in entry fees. I'm not sure I agree with this being a HUGE advantage but it is an advantage.

If you want to spin it that way with the blindfold on, George..be my guest.
Nobody believes a word of it though...as the exact opposite has been stated many times in this thread in terms of finishing vs starting...which also doesn't/shouldn't mean a thing at the beginning of the next season.

The top 20 teams from last year all finish in the top 20 (at a short track) resulting in nobody being allowed out of the draw (or even one less than would have otherwise)...and you're out here trying to convince everybody to pay no attention to the man behind the curtain (wait...I'll find the picture so that the 'Oz' can be better explained):

 

[It'sYourLegacy]

Not sure how many of you guys were around when we were racing 3 Wheelers back in the day. This stuff so reminds me of trying to compete against the factory Kawi and honda teams at all the national races back in the day. Towards the end we the well funded privateers had no shot with all the new rules or lack there of when it came to new machines and staging rules we had to deal with back then. Towards the end it was all factory all the time. This class seems to be going the same way unfortunately. Those we still were some of the best memories though.

...and back then we were talking the size (and related cost) of a garden tractor or even smaller.

I am not surprised any more than you or anyone else in regards to the corporate decisions being made right now or the lap dog counterparts involved in slipping them by here at the ground level.
I'm astonished much more that normal fair minded individuals whether they have any amount of disposable income or not sit silent (at least Johnny has an opinion and is willing to share it) when the disparity involving their fellow racers is so apparent and the legitimacy of their own championship is at stake.

 

[Johnny]

see and after your last two post I still think you have to be one of the dumbest people alive !

what the fuck is this ? The top 20 teams from last year all finish in the top 20

I wonder if the top 20 teams will finish as the top 20 teams
are the top 20 teams the top 20 ?
what makes the top 20 the top 20
if you had the top 20 racers racing and the 20th guy came in 20th would he still be in the top 20 ?
corporate garden tractors top 20 the same as George Felix Not Finishing 1 race last season but somebody still thinks that he should be allowed to be a road block ? and start in the top 10 ?

sorry George not throwing you under the bus I just do get the stupidity the has been allow to flow along the yellow brick road ..

 

[It'sYourLegacy]

Let's simplify things:
If you allow 20 people to start in front of everybody else FROM THE VERY BEGINNING..those same 20 people have been given an obvious advantage that means absolutely everything in not only 'one' but two classes...whether the championship points race is as close as it was in 2015 or not.

Again, there is not one driver or team member on any of these 20 teams being unceremoniously shuffled to the front of the pack defending this (save Johnny)...because they quite simply can't.

What George has to do with this I'm not sure...but I'm still waiting for somebody to come on up here (as well) and declare that they aren't gunning to unseat anybody while (rightfully) making that top 10 in the very first race..if they were ever given the opportunity.

 

[JoeyD23]

Well we got picked to be 33rd (last) off the line. I wonder who's nuts we need to fluff to get some of this special conspiracy theory attention lol

 

[george.felix]

Nice I've just become the poster boy for the slow guys! Thanks Johnny! Lol Maybe Joey will assume that roll.... Dude that's funny!

 

[ironworks]

I deleted my post just for the reason that talking to a person with 0 credibility seams to be a total waste of my time .. so fuck yourself mr legacy !!!

I just pretend he is the wind blowing and ignore it. The guy makes an attempt to use every key on the key board with every post.

 

[It'sYourLegacy]

Well we got picked to be 33rd (last) off the line. I wonder who's nuts we need to fluff to get some of this special conspiracy theory attention lol

Isn't it a bit insulting to your fellow racers in the draw when their initial dream/hard work for a top ten finish is discounted as nothing but a "conspiracy theory (obstacle)" that they should somehow discount offhand..as you do?

All we need to hear now is that there's some guy starting in the top 10 who has 'anything' to do with this new rule change..or who is starting where..and why..or who is 'sponsored' to boot..

 

[JoeyD23]

Nice I've just become the poster boy for the slow guys! Thanks Johnny! Lol Maybe Joey will assume that roll.... Dude that's funny!

wishful thinking George.. we got Lightning Larry Ragland behind the wheel this weekend.. its on!

 

[JoeyD23]

Isn't it a bit insulting to your fellow racers in the draw when their initial dream/hard work for a top ten finish is discounted as nothing but a "conspiracy theory (obstacle)" that they should somehow discount offhand..as you do?

All we need to hear now is that there's some guy starting in the top 10 who has 'anything' to do with this new rule change..or who is starting where..and why..or who is 'sponsored' to boot..

I don't even understand any of what you are talking about so I can't comment with anything really cool other than I think you are putting wayyy to much effort into thinking there is some mass conspiracy to keep only the top vehicles in the top. Casey could care less who wins a championship. Polaris sponsors multiple races and has the most factory dollars invested and he still calls it the ARE ZEE ARE..

 

[sand shark]

I don't even understand any of what you are talking about so I can't comment with anything really cool other than I think you are putting wayyy to much effort into thinking there is some mass conspiracy to keep only the top vehicles in the top. Casey could care less who wins a championship. Polaris sponsors multiple races and has the most factory dollars invested and he still calls it the ARE ZEE ARE..

It is better sometimes to just let them ramble on.

 

[It'sYourLegacy]

"..I don't even understand any of what you are talking about.."

...that was pretty much the standard response to every rule change ever questioned and every racer last year realizing what this class has become.

Changing the rules and refusing to comment on the resulting inequity is one thing.

Insisting that teams are too stupid to know the difference or (as one racer put it) not even capable of trying to win/place is...I honestly don't know what.

"10" racers in a see no/hear no/speak no evil clique such as this I can imagine.

"20 or more" is just plain unbelievable to me and definitely a west coast phenomena (there would have been a race team 'civil war' east of the Rockies by now).

 

[george.felix]

After all said and done none of it matters on race day! That's today so shhh!!

 

[It'sYourLegacy]

After all said and done none of it matters on race day! That's today so shhh!!

...which is what all 20 teams starting ahead of everybody else for no good reason 'wanted':

"..Last year's championship was ultimately decided (largely) by 'the draw' all year long given the slimmest of margins in the end..so let's take that same equal-footing-even-to-begin-with draw concept out of the equation (this first race) to unfairly afford 10 teams in each class who haven't done a single thing this year an unfair advantage all year long that will obviously benefit them (later) in a similarly close points race..".
(The manufacturers and their BITD lap dogs):
"..Keep yourself together in clean air on a short lap track this first race with all the factory parts/support that you need and can possibly be fed..and we'll fudge the rules so that your team has exponentially less of a chance of ever falling back into that primarily peon privateer 'draw'...in the first place! (let alone later).

You're right, George..convince everybody (including fans) that "none of it matters" and to now (forever) keep our mouths shut as we watch this travesty today play out all season long for what will amount to a meaningless championship in the end.

 

[JoeyD23]

...which is what all 20 teams starting ahead of everybody else for no good reason 'wanted':

"..Last year's championship was ultimately decided (largely) by 'the draw' all year long given the slimmest of margins in the end..so let's take that same equal-footing-even-to-begin-with draw concept out of the equation (this first race) to unfairly afford 10 teams in each class who haven't done a single thing this year an unfair advantage all year long that will obviously benefit them (later) in a similarly close points race..".
(The manufacturers and their BITD lap dogs):
"..Keep yourself together in clean air on a short lap track this first race with all the factory parts/support that you need and can possibly be fed..and we'll fudge the rules so that your team has exponentially less of a chance of ever falling back into that primarily peon privateer 'draw'...in the first place! (let alone later).

You're right, George..convince everybody (including fans) that "none of it matters" and to now (forever) keep our mouths shut as we watch this travesty today play out all season long for what will amount to a meaningless championship in the end.

You have a lot of opinion for a guy who hides behind a screen name. Why don't you tell everyone who you are before trying to tell everyone how to handle the class.

I have been pretty damn vocal in my opinions but I never hid behind some false name in anonymity. For all we know you're some guy running a competing organization trying to tear a part BITD.

 

[It'sYourLegacy]

You have a lot of opinion for a guy who hides behind a screen name. Why don't you tell everyone who you are before trying to tell everyone how to handle the class.

When you require everybody to play by the same rules...race fans/those who support manufacturers/vendors both at the dealerships and on here will play by them as well. Your demanding that but one member identify themselves up here is no different than your asking us to support manufacturers/vendors here who won't even stick up for the common man attempting to win these races out of a bogus first race draw spot..that you pretend not to "understand".
If you don't want me up here stating facts then kick me off of here plain and simple. These guys don't need me to tell them the truth as to who will be sitting on the starting line today, how they got there or why their favored starting position destroys the integrity of the sport.

"..I have been pretty damn vocal in my opinions but I never hid behind some false name in anonymity. For all we know you're some guy running a competing organization trying to tear a part BITD.."

...and you're the guy claiming that anybody 'daring' to simply question the starting order today at the first race of the season is a "conspiracy theorist" (for the past two days).
Do what you (apparently) have to do, Joey as there will definitely be somebody else who will eventually take my place (the simple truth sorta works that way as it did in 2015).

 

[JoeyD23]

Until there is some facts or some evidence it is a theory. I think you are giving BITD wayyy to much credit for putting thought into the starting grid as a way to keep top teams in the top. Maybe the way it is happens to have a flaw but I highly doubt it was done having been planned to benefit top teams.

 

[ironworks]

When you require everybody to play by the same rules...race fans/those who support manufacturers/vendors both at the dealerships and on here will play by them as well. Your demanding that but one member identify themselves up here is no different than your asking us to support manufacturers/vendors here who won't even stick up for the common man attempting to win these races out of a bogus first race draw spot..that you pretend not to "understand".
If you don't want me up here stating facts then kick me off of here plain and simple. These guys don't need me to tell them the truth as to who will be sitting on the starting line today, how they got there or why their favored starting position destroys the integrity of the sport.



...and you're the guy claiming that anybody 'daring' to simply question the starting order today at the first race of the season is a "conspiracy theorist" (for the past two days).
Do what you (apparently) have to do, Joey as there will definitely be somebody else who will eventually take my place (the simple truth sorta works that way as it did in 2015).

You're a coward.

 

[Coop]

Your demanding that but one member identify themselves up here is no different than your asking us to support manufacturers/vendors here who won't even stick up for the common man attempting to win these races out of a bogus first race draw spot..that you pretend not to "understand".

It's your fantasy should be your tag name, I do not post here much, but you are way off base and someone needs to set you straight. Just so you know I am as privateer at it gets. I paid for cold hard cash for my racing program. There is no way you are a spokesman for any truth. I have started in back in the dust and raced my way to the podium in only my 4th BITD race, 54 years old and only started racing in october of 2014. You have not clue what you are talking about. If you are competitive, pay attention to your race prep, you do not need the front starting position to win, you need to be a determined racer with some balls. If you had the courage to come race with us BITD crowd, you would find that there is more integrity in this sport than you could imagine. Those guys you are banging on with the factory sponsorship, they happen to be very talented drivers that weren't sponsored until they kicked some butt on the racecourse. . You want to start in the front, race to earn it, . Yeah I know your were raised that everybody deserves a trophy, but in the real world, if you want on the porch with the big dogs, YOU GOTTA EARN IT. so there you have it, this is one privateer you damn sure aren't speaking for. Do us all a favor and get out of our racing forum! Joey, you need to pull the plug on this tool. .

 

[joncon]

When you require everybody to play by the same rules...race fans/those who support manufacturers/vendors both at the dealerships and on here will play by them as well. Your demanding that but one member identify themselves up here is no different than your asking us to support manufacturers/vendors here who won't even stick up for the common man attempting to win these races out of a bogus first race draw spot..that you pretend not to "understand".
If you don't want me up here stating facts then kick me off of here plain and simple. These guys don't need me to tell them the truth as to who will be sitting on the starting line today, how they got there or why their favored starting position destroys the integrity of the sport



...and you're the guy claiming that anybody 'daring' to simply question the starting order today at the first race of the season is a "conspiracy theorist" (for the past two days).
Do what you (apparently) have to do, Joey as there will definitely be somebody else who will eventually take my place (the simple truth sorta works that way as it did in 2015).

In the name of God man give it a f'ing rest. In case you haven't noticed this is a forum where people come to talk a little crap, talk a bit about racing, and just generally have a good time. If you're (check that shit Justin) so bent on making a difference in this world then perhaps you should consider a more important cause than UTV racing.