Mint 400 race results

[george.felix]

I'm in when's the first race?. Casey and Cory both said you don't like how things are run go somewhere else. Hear they pay out more too. I'm all in for a more Orthodox series and I know several others are as well.....as in dozens not just one or two.

Snore needs to step up and get promotional here. I think the iron is hot or at the very least getting pretty damn warm.

 

[BiggJim]

How you fix this problem is you have Polaris move their Sponsorship to a series like Snore. The big teams & racers will go where Polaris is and where Polaris wants them. If they moved their sponsorship, the racers will follow.

The benefits of racing Snore is you would not have the TT's or the volume of TT's to deal with. Snore would make sure the UTV's are the "rock stars" of their series and not the TT's and Snore has never catered to the TT's. You would run full miles and not be dealing with Grand Prix finishes. Entry fees would be less then BITD. Snore runs the exact same courses BITD does, so you would not lose out on racing the same tracks, and even a few that BITD does not run. Snore can and would be able to oversee the UTV rules with a Committee as Snore uses class reps. Snore could also manage Tech, without the extra tech fee's currently paid by the racers.

At the Mint I was speaking with a well respected member of the UTV racing world and the discussion was regarding Tech, ECU's, protesting teams and the idea of moving to Snore. This Well Respected person agreed that Snore could be a good option.

I personally dont want anything to do with Snore...They dont race 1 race that Sounds even remotely fun. Ridgecrest....Pass....Laughlin....Pass Im disappointed we are already racing that 14 mile long mess twice this year...Barstow?? Pass..... The silverstate course would be the only 1 worth racing and it blows because there is no place out there to sleep that you wont come home with bedbugs.

 

[george.felix]

I personally dont want anything to do with Snore...They dont race 1 race that Sounds even remotely fun. Ridgecrest....Pass....Laughlin....Pass Im disappointed we are already racing that 14 mile long mess twice this year...Barstow?? Pass..... The silverstate course would be the only 1 worth racing and it blows because there is no place out there to sleep that you wont come home with bedbugs.

Silver State was the best mix of terrain of all the Bitd races hands down unless you like long fire roads. Funny Sheakley complained about bed bugs too....hmm. Lol

 

[BiggJim]

Silver State was the best mix of terrain of all the Bitd races hands down unless you like long fire roads. Funny Sheakley complained about bed bugs too....hmm. Lol

Dude we stayed out there on 2 diff occasions...both times i would have rather slept in the truck....Shit was like the hills have eyes and shit....had to have shoes to walk over the sticky dorm room floors....those deals are rough. I didnt bring my bag in the house for a month after those 2 races.

 

[george.felix]

I hear ya but it's an awesome course! Bring a trailer I guess.

 

[cocojoe]

Moving to SNORE would be the best thing that could happen to UTV racing, That would solve a lot of the issues that are a problem.

 

[facteryfmf]

Pretty sure Lambert tried to convince a lot of people to move to snore also.

 

[the stripping shop]

I don't understand how SNORE would be in a better direction. They have had 7-8 years to make it better for the utv's and still nothing huge. Hell didn't they own the mint 400 at one time. What big race do they have rage at the river, and now BITD runs there twice a year. That is not the answer to pack up and leave. Plus all the class 9,12,11,16 cry babies would even be worse.

Bitd just has to do some little tweaks to the show. Maybe run the trick trucks in the morning for 4 laps so winners finish around 2-3 pm. Then start limited cars at 1-2 pm and they run 3 laps finish around 7-8 pm. Limited cars cant start tell last unlimited vehicle is on 4th lap but they have cut off time lets say noon. Just an ex.

 

[facteryfmf]

I don't understand how SNORE would be in a better direction. They have had 7-8 years to make it better for the utv's and still nothing huge. Hell didn't they own the mint 400 at one time. What big race do they have rage at the river, and now BITD runs there twice a year. That is not the answer to pack up and leave. Plus all the class 9,12,11,16 cry babies would even be worse.

Bitd just has to do some little tweaks to the show. Maybe run the trick trucks in the morning for 4 laps so winners finish around 2-3 pm. Then start limited cars at 1-2 pm and they run 3 laps finish around 7-8 pm. Limited cars cant start tell last unlimited vehicle is on 4th lap but they have cut off time lets say noon. Just an ex.

Let's be honest, the TT class is going to get the premier starting time. Limited will always be the red head. They're never going to go to a 2 day format and they aren't going to leave course workers, volunteers, out on the course for 24+ hours. This is the way it's going to be for a long while.

Bitd is currently only the premier organization bc of the turnout. I agree that SCORE tracks do kinda suck. But hell, bitd has TWO Laughlin races for us this year. I'm sure SS300 will be back next year bc of this year's 2 day V2R course. The utv class is seriously a mess right now in bitd. But everyone and even more will keep coming.

 

[NIKAL]

I don't understand how SNORE would be in a better direction. They have had 7-8 years to make it better for the utv's and still nothing huge. Hell didn't they own the mint 400 at one time. What big race do they have rage at the river, and now BITD runs there twice a year. That is not the answer to pack up and leave. Plus all the class 9,12,11,16 cry babies would even be worse.

Bitd just has to do some little tweaks to the show. Maybe run the trick trucks in the morning for 4 laps so winners finish around 2-3 pm. Then start limited cars at 1-2 pm and they run 3 laps finish around 7-8 pm. Limited cars cant start tell last unlimited vehicle is on 4th lap but they have cut off time lets say noon. Just an ex.

Snore could have 20 years to get the UTV's. Its the sponsorship that dictates where you race. If Polaris was to go to Snore, so would the 65+ UTV's. Even Big Jim would be there! The class is dedicated by manufactures on multiple levels. Sponsorship is one of them.

Yes Snore is who brought the Mint 400 back, and it was said that it was a back door deal by a few board members who sold the rights to Mad Media. Snore is still a non profit series, where you have a voted in governing board and all the racers are voting members. Those Board members who sold the Mint 400 name then left Snore to operate the new Roger Norman Score series. Many were very upset that Snore did this with the Mint. In hind sight it was the best thing as Snore is not in the position to manage & market it like Mad Media has. While the Mint courses were better with Snore, its not anyone's fault and the BLM has had a big iron fist in where and how we race.

Also if you think running the TT's in the morning and letting the limited have the balance of the day, your crazy! The course is 10X worst after 50+ trucks & HP buggy's with 39's tear it up. This would never happen. Casey would never buy it in a million years. Ford would also be upset as their 1 vehicle "Rapter" class would dnf every race.

 

[the stripping shop]

Why not go after can am then they have way deeper pockets then Polaris. Just an idea about race format. Way better then picking up and leaving after what bitd built and snore has done very little if not shown that a panel/board can be corrupted and put a series in jeopardy, just saying.

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[acme]

We've raced a lot of SNORE & MORE over the years in addition to SCORE/BITD and others. Both are racer friendly orgs, not perfect but run by racers and are both very interested in UTV's.

I've spoke with Kenny while trying to figure out what races we want to do once the car is sorted & Cody/MORE has the FOX deal they set up. Neither org blades, so the courses will be rough, if you compare them to your BITD experiences, it's a greater challenge. They also lack the "show" so if that is your reason to race, stick to BITD or Baja...

Barstow and Lucerne suck but are no worse than Primm and equal to a lot of what Baja offers the rear starting classes, Tough and unforgiving. Ridgecrest is a technical race course that will tear you up if you can't manage it well. Caliennte is Bad Ass with a variety of terrain! Suggestion: Rent a Moho to avoid the nastys as the hotels are not plentiful nor 3 star. Bars are good though and town loves racers!

Another killer option is Record & Code for those not scared of Baja. The Record Ensenada to SF race is totally killer albeit warm... Tech in Ensenada, start in Ojos and Pt 2 Pt to the Arches in San Felipe with Dinner and beers on the Malechon. Costs a percentage of the SOCRE race and is a killer course over great sections of Baja. Just needs entries to make it a fun. IMHO One of the best racers we've run next to the 500/1000/SF250...

We are shooting for Ridgecrest or Caliente, and depending Ensenada to SF and if no UTV's show we'll run unlimited sportsman buggy...

 

[NIKAL]

Why not go after can am then they have way deeper pockets then Polaris. Just an idea about race format. Way better then picking up and leaving after what bitd built and snore has done very little if not shown a board sticker the life out of them just saying.

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Like I said the Snore thing could never happen unless Polaris Sponsorship came over to them. Can Am might have deeper pockets, but they dont have a fraction of the market share in the UTV segment. If Snore got Can Am Sponsorship only the factory Can Am guys would go. 80% of the UTV's racing are Polaris and Polaris sponsors more teams directly, so those teams will go where Polaris is.

Like Factoryfmf said, BITD is the most popular series off-road series in the US right now, and attracts the most racers. BITD is where Polaris Sponsorship is and as long as they are there the UTV's will be too. Sure BITD has issues, but they have great things too. The series and events are well organized and everything is laid out easy. Try chasing & pitting in Baja and you will see how even Helen Keller could do BITD. So that is a plus for most limited teams. Snore could have better courses with more funding, they used to do courses that neither Score or BITD could get permits to do. I think many of the courses they are running is to cater to the clientele. You bring more revenue in they can afford to race back in placed like Purump or on the North side or have longer races.

With a few minor/major changes BITD could be awesome for the limited & UTV class. Some is controllable by Casey and some issues are not. The only limited class that I see that has any chance of getting Casey's attention and making a change is the UTV class. But this class also does not want to step up and make the big call. As much as I dont agree with how Cory is governing and running the UTV class. No one else has the balls and gut to step up and say we will change this or else! 99.9% just complain, and say if someone else will do something I might follow!

 

[the stripping shop]

Nikal I don't think you want to think outside of box sometimes. What if SNORE make CAN AM title sponsor and pull Yamaha and arcticcat as smaller sponsor. Would that change people were to race. Do you go hunting for a trophy on your first hunt or kill some smaller prey first? BITD has built some great bridges with FORD and POLARIS but there are plenty of others out there.

 

[george.felix]

Like I said the Snore thing could never happen unless Polaris Sponsorship came over to them. Can Am might have deeper pockets, but they dont have a fraction of the market share in the UTV segment. If Snore got Can Am Sponsorship only the factory Can Am guys would go. 80% of the UTV's racing are Polaris and Polaris sponsors more teams directly, so those teams will go where Polaris is.

Like Factoryfmf said, BITD is the most popular series off-road series in the US right now, and attracts the most racers. BITD is where Polaris Sponsorship is and as long as they are there the UTV's will be too. Sure BITD has issues, but they have great things too. The series and events are well organized and everything is laid out easy. Try chasing & pitting in Baja and you will see how even Helen Keller could do BITD. So that is a plus for most limited teams. Snore could have better courses with more funding, they used to do courses that neither Score or BITD could get permits to do. I think many of the courses they are running is to cater to the clientele. You bring more revenue in they can afford to race back in placed like Purump or on the North side or have longer races.

With a few minor/major changes BITD could be awesome for the limited & UTV class. Some is controllable by Casey and some issues are not. The only limited class that I see that has any chance of getting Casey's attention and making a change is the UTV class. But this class also does not want to step up and make the big call. As much as I dont agree with how Cory is governing and running the UTV class. No one else has the balls and gut to step up and say we will change this or else! 99.9% just complain, and say if someone else will do something I might follow!

The moment of truth was when Bill Schuler spoke to all the racers and took the survey. What a dog and pony show that was. Cory just said fuck your survey I'm doing whatever I want like I've always done. The racers didn't even offer a whimper. Could have heard a pin drop. A few....same few spoke out but the majority don't have the balls to speak out much less act. There's zero push back cuz who wants to be a "whining crybaby"....Bottom line is the days where people stood up for anything are over. Follow the herd....and the herd is forking out nearly $1000 a race plus $275 IRC ( what's that all about?)

 

[bluediamond]

Funny i was just talking with my family about this very subject last weelkend. We were saying that Within the next three years you will see 90-100 class 19 teams coming out to race in the desert. With that kind of popularity surly there will be some promoter out there somewhere that will have the backing to put together a professional UTV only race series and that's where everyone will go. It's inevitable with the sponsership money that will be available due to the amount of people that will own utv’s by then. Maybe I'm way off but that's the way I see it going personaly.

 

[badassmav]

Marc saw him coming and pulled off course.

Herbst was chasing his tail lights in the dust and chased him off course rather than staying on course.

From what I can remember Marc telling me. He crested a small ridge and pulled off course. Herbst crested the ridge at speed and following Marc's lights ran right into the back of him. I've seen all the pictures Fernando took. And they were a good ways off course clearly moved way out of the way. But the truck was chasing tail lights not looking at the GPS.

That is 100% correct Adam. Marc and fern heard the truck behind them for some time, yet never saw lights or heard horns. Marc decided to pull off course before they were on his bumper. Evidently, and unfortunately, Herbst caught the Mav just as Marc was pulling off the course. It was bad timing for both parties as it appears two moments met. The moment Marc came to a stop, and the moment Herbst realized they followed Marc off course. Marc had just come to a stop when Herbst landed atop the rear of the Mav. The tire marks where Marc stopped, and the tire marks where Marc stopped again after the impact were approx. 50 ' apart based on Marcs estimate. A bit more than a tap I'd say.
By the time Marc got his wits back, the "Hairy Mexican", who weighs a buck forty soaking wet, was tugging on him, trying to pull him out as the impact broke the drivers side rear shock, spewing shock oil onto the hot exhaust system and all over the back of Marcs seat, causing an mmediate fire. Lucky for Marc, Herbsts' Co driver saw the fire and was putting it out at the same time Fern was working on getting him out of the Burning car. Suffice it to say, it was a close call. Marc's helmet, driving suit, and race seat had to be discarded as they were no longer usable. I don't think he ever publicly told the entire story as I have because, well he's too manly to whine about what might have been because "His name is Marc, and he's a macho fuck!"
(Haha! An excerpt from a song somebody wrote about him)

 

[george.felix]

Marc seems to have a close relationship with fire.....guy has 9 lives.

 

[JoeyD23]

Joey D said it best the show is the TRICK TRUCK no matter how you look at it, everyone else is red headed step child. So the question is how do you work around that. The safest place is off the track no matter how you look at it when trucks are going.

Woah woah woah. I never said the rest are red headed step children. Don't put words in my mouth.

I said that TTs are the show and that is dictated by the fans. I eluded to the fact that you look at the fence line for the limited race in the AM vs the unlimited in the afternoon. People come to watch TTs. TTs are the big show, the elite. Nothing wrong with it, hell, I fell in love with this sport because of watching trophy trucks race. Everyone in off road races in the shadow of TTs. That's the way it is and always will be. I don't care if there are 200 UTVs at the mint, TTs are WAY more exciting to watch.

As for the racing side. Smaller, slower vehicles have been racing behind / in front of TTs for as long as I can remember. It's part of what off road racing is about. Off road racing is dangerous and yes a TT vs UTV is probably the most dangerous collision combo in the sport other than TT vs bike or quad. But it is what it is. Everyone talks about how sketchy it is at BITD but there is nothing worse then being in Baja and some way out of contention unlimited runs up behind you. It's just part of the deal. But there are ways to limit the danger. I agree that in the mint if you were being passed by TTs you should just probably be off the course and not have any risk to you or the other drivers in much larger and faster trucks.

 

[badassmav]

Sadly for Marc, we had a brand new flame out system sitting on a bench BACK AT THE SHOP! At 2,350 lbs., Marc didn't want to add any more weight to the car. As you hold on to that thought, fast forward to last year's CAR-B-Q at the imperial valley race when Marc lost both a prerunning and $80k race car inside of a half hour or so. When the race car caught fire, the co driver was quick to exit while Marc, with his left foot in a cast or brace of some kind due to a recent surgery to rebuild his shattered heel x had his left leg ZIP TIED TO THE ROLL CAGE in an effort to keep his leg from thrashing around in the car (again, manly Marc at work in the cockpit of his race car, in total conflict of his doctors orders).
This wasn't one if those 1/4" zip ties you secure the plumbing lines to your roll cage with. It was of the 1/2" variety that you secure your spare driveshaft or shock reservoir "with.
Again, for the second time in a year, marc barely escapes a race car in flames. He literally crawled in his hands and knees away from the car as the flames eventually consumed his racer. Again, with the same new flame out system sitting back azt the shop on the same bench. So, one has to wonder if his new RZR is with or without fire supressioin system.