I am curious why you feel this way.Shannon Cambell is the only KOH racer that I know of who has crossed over to desert and short course and hasn't been competitive in either one.I believe corner speed is important in every type of racing except KOH and drag racing.
Lets Debate... Which form of UTV racing takes the most skill?? POLL
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I am curious why you feel this way.Shannon Cambell is the only KOH racer that I know of who has crossed over to desert and short course and hasn't been competitive in either one.I believe corner speed is important in every type of racing except KOH and drag racing.
motohead446
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What series did you race on the east coast? What class? Pretty sure that Scott Kiger and William Yokley do very well out west. Both are east coast boys racing GNCC yet set a record in BITD and won WORCS championships when they actually tried.
motohead446
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This will add to my argument for GNCC racing. I respect all forms of racing and I would love to do it all. If money wasn't an issue I would.
This will add to my argument for GNCC racing. I respect all forms of racing and I would love to do it all. If money wasn't an issue I would.
motohead446
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William Yokley won the WORCS championship his first try.
Coastal racing which is Scott Kiger, William Yokley, and Mark Holz won the BITD Championship in their first try with Kiger logging the most driving hours and they set a record by something like 30 minutes. So please tell me more how we on the east coast would run with our tails between our legs and seat cushions stuck to our asses.
Coastal racing which is Scott Kiger, William Yokley, and Mark Holz won the BITD Championship in their first try with Kiger logging the most driving hours and they set a record by something like 30 minutes. So please tell me more how we on the east coast would run with our tails between our legs and seat cushions stuck to our asses.
atvobsession
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Bottom line to me is KOH has them all, not just rock crawling.
So I voted KOH because you have to have almost mastered all of the skills to pull it off successfully IMHO.
Dan ...
Agreed. Taking nothing against the others....you have high speed desert, tight track turns and insane rock crawling.
You have lots of guys that race there, that KILL IT on the desert...they are simply awesome....but then they get in the rocks, and they make tons of mistakes, don't know their lines decisively, break components due to inexperience.
You can fully get it in the desert...and lose it on the rocks or you can be a rock crawler, and not make enough speed in the desert, which was my problem.
It really shows that Mitch is a well rounded driver to win the overall 4 times. I don't think anyone will do that again....the courses are getting much harder...this year's course made last year's course look like a Sunday drive. So to keep a UTV intact to win 4 in a row...will be unlikely. Mitch has a very nice legacy....(hat tip).
DUNE DUMMY 29
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I AGREE. SHANNON IS A BACK OF THE PACK DRIVER IN LOORRS. ROCKCRAWLING IS A TALENT, BUT IT DOES NOT TRANSLATE OVER TO OTHER DISIPLINES. DESERT RACERS HAVE WON IN SHORT COURSE, NASCAR, INDYCAR & CIRCLE TRACKS (DIRT & ASPHALT) ALL OVER AMERICA.
motohead446
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Scott Kiger an east coast boy got his ass handed to him by winning the Mint 400. I heard he's crawling back to PA with his tail between his legs. SMH
im a desert racer.i think each has its area of technical driving skills. that video was awesome, holy crap some hard hits in there.looked fun as hell though.my biggest concern is the 80 plus mph runs when it feels like you are on ice,one small mistake can send you tumbling for awhile LOL. hard to believe some of those guys had stock cages. that would scare the crap out of me!
edited to add, as for east coast west coast bs, great drivers come from all over the world.
Rokitman
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I cant speak for UTV racing since I raced motorcycles and dirt track stock cars, but from what I have seen in motorcycles the extreme enduro riders have the most skill overall, so I have to think the same applies to UTV racing. Considering the different types of terrain and obstacles involved, I would think KOH takes the most skill overall.
With my experience in motocross and GPs, combined with my dirt track skills, I would probably be good on courses like GNCC or WORCS while KOH would kick my butt. I'm not sure if skill has as much to do with it as experience.
With my experience in motocross and GPs, combined with my dirt track skills, I would probably be good on courses like GNCC or WORCS while KOH would kick my butt. I'm not sure if skill has as much to do with it as experience.
You seem to have forgot one important name, Bryce Menzies...
Started in short course and won his first ever desert championship his rookie year. And hasnt lost a race yet in 2013...
In my opinion I think every form of racing has its own skill set, some people have it and some people dont
For example
Herbst boys: good in desert, not good at short course
Steve Sourapas & BJ Baldwin: Desert champions, struggled at shortcourse
Shannon Cambell: Rock crawling badass, struggled at shortcourse
Mitch Guthrie Sr: King of the hammers champ, too scared to race worcs so he puts his kid in the car
Robby Gordon: Good in the desert, good at short course, sucks at rock crawling
I cant speak for a lot of these forms because I dont have much experience at some of them, but it does seem to me like the longer the race, the more the "luck factor" comes in to play.
Well thats my .02cents, now everyone go buy a polaris xp900 and come race with us
You put Shannon Campbell in a properly set up Class 1 or Trophy Truck and that guy would be very competitive. He can wheel, I think his boy is gonna be even better.
Need a ultimate racer series, KOH, Mint, Vegas to Reno, Baja 250 and 1000 in a world championship, one throw away desert race.
Need a ultimate racer series, KOH, Mint, Vegas to Reno, Baja 250 and 1000 in a world championship, one throw away desert race.
motohead446
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I completely agree. There are great drivers all over the world.
Makin' Trax
Got Shocks? - UTVUnderground Approved
Maybe you should come out and ride or race the west before staking your claims. When did you race or ride out here? What Series? What locations? What series did you race in the east? What was your best results? We can pick out individuals from all over the world that have had success in some cross over disiplines. But I feel RJ hit the nail on the head.William Yokley won the WORCS championship his first try.
Coastal racing which is Scott Kiger, William Yokley, and Mark Holz won the BITD Championship in their first try with Kiger logging the most driving hours and they set a record by something like 30 minutes. So please tell me more how we on the east coast would run with our tails between our legs and seat cushions stuck to our asses.
blacksheep10
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Hard to say. I've only raced KOH 3times in the buggy class and twice In UTV (finished 1 buggy, 2 utv). We would like to get into other disciplines, but it is so much F'ing money where do you start. I would think Endurance is probably the hardest, that is mental toughness. Any of the forms you are talking about you are driving at the edge of control and keeping it together. Get in a TT and tell me that isn't hours of controlled chaos. On short course you are on the edge of flipping or coming up short all the time. All of it takes so much, I feel longer races take so much of it for a longer period of time.
On another note, I feel Shannon could be a true badass in the desert if he wasn't building his own cars and trying that route. If he had a geiser and some crazy support, he could give it a run.
motohead446
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Maybe you should come out and ride or race the west before staking your claims. -
I never claimed to be better than anyone out there ever. Unlike you who thinks because you beat a couple guys that the west would dominate. I've never raced out there. I can barely afford to race the GNCC series let alone make it out there. You fly me out and give me a UTV to race I'd be there. I simply stated facts to defend the east coast drivers that you are bashing on falsified claims. You stated that you came out here and did suspension with some woods racers and kicked their asses. It could have been beer buggies for all we know. What really surprises me is that if you were there doing suspension they were probably some sort of customer and your bashing them. You said an east coast driver thinks everything is flat and wide open and that we would have seat cushions stuck up our asses and our tails between our legs yet East Coast guys have faired very well out west.
-When did you race or ride out here?-
Never
-What Series?- N/A
-What locations?- N/A
- series did you race in the east?-
GNCC XC1 rookie season last year.
Grew up racing motocross on bikes and bought a 900 in January of 2012. Podium finish in my 2nd ever UTV race.
-What was your best results?-
Only race I didn't break something I finished 3rd. Finished 6th for the season. Never been outside the top ten until first lap failures this year. I've beat Kiger who has beat the guys out west but I'm not going to say I can go out there and beat everyone because of that.
-We can pick out individuals from all over the world that have had success in some cross over disiplines. But I feel RJ hit the nail on the head.-
I agree but you need to add funding to that. Some people can't afford to race with the big guys. If I could afford what I needed I would have a better chance of actually finishing races which would have possibly gave me a better finish than 6th. I've set the fastest lap times at GNCC races in a nearly stock XP but can't afford the upkeep and parts necessary and stuff fails. Also with funding comes seat time. It's hard to practice when you work 6 and 7 days a week to afford to race.
You just hit a nerve with me making falsified claims because of some trip you took out east. There are plenty of facts to prove that was an arrogant and ignorant statement. Especially as a business owner.
I never claimed to be better than anyone out there ever. Unlike you who thinks because you beat a couple guys that the west would dominate. I've never raced out there. I can barely afford to race the GNCC series let alone make it out there. You fly me out and give me a UTV to race I'd be there. I simply stated facts to defend the east coast drivers that you are bashing on falsified claims. You stated that you came out here and did suspension with some woods racers and kicked their asses. It could have been beer buggies for all we know. What really surprises me is that if you were there doing suspension they were probably some sort of customer and your bashing them. You said an east coast driver thinks everything is flat and wide open and that we would have seat cushions stuck up our asses and our tails between our legs yet East Coast guys have faired very well out west.
-When did you race or ride out here?-
Never
-What Series?- N/A
-What locations?- N/A
- series did you race in the east?-
GNCC XC1 rookie season last year.
Grew up racing motocross on bikes and bought a 900 in January of 2012. Podium finish in my 2nd ever UTV race.
-What was your best results?-
Only race I didn't break something I finished 3rd. Finished 6th for the season. Never been outside the top ten until first lap failures this year. I've beat Kiger who has beat the guys out west but I'm not going to say I can go out there and beat everyone because of that.
-We can pick out individuals from all over the world that have had success in some cross over disiplines. But I feel RJ hit the nail on the head.-
I agree but you need to add funding to that. Some people can't afford to race with the big guys. If I could afford what I needed I would have a better chance of actually finishing races which would have possibly gave me a better finish than 6th. I've set the fastest lap times at GNCC races in a nearly stock XP but can't afford the upkeep and parts necessary and stuff fails. Also with funding comes seat time. It's hard to practice when you work 6 and 7 days a week to afford to race.
You just hit a nerve with me making falsified claims because of some trip you took out east. There are plenty of facts to prove that was an arrogant and ignorant statement. Especially as a business owner.
motohead446
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Kiger won again today. That is all.
Makin' Trax
Got Shocks? - UTVUnderground Approved
.....I agree but you need to add funding to that. Some people can't afford to race with the big guys. If I could afford what I needed I would have a better chance of actually finishing races which would have possibly gave me a better finish than 6th. I've set the fastest lap times at GNCC races in a nearly stock XP but can't afford the upkeep and parts necessary and stuff fails. Also with funding comes seat time. It's hard to practice when you work 6 and 7 days a week to afford to race. I absolutely agree.
You just hit a nerve with me making falsified claims because of some trip you took out east. First, glad I hit that nerve. That was the intent. That is what Smack Talk is all about, but it wasn't a falsified claim. As I stated it was a shock testing trip with four Racers in Illinois. Trees are intimidating but no different than any other obstacle you are trying to miss. Actually easier to see. There are plenty of facts to prove that was an arrogant and ignorant statement. Ha Ha... Arrogant yes, ignorant no. Especially as a business owner Now that is an example of an ignorant statement. I love how as a business owner the rules change about having an opinion. This is a discussion sharing opinions. I allow you yours and the right to voice them, why should I not be allowed to voice mine because I'm a business owner. I think that is enough said about East-West. This was supposed to be about the poll. And yes Scott Kiger and his team won the Silver State 300. Congrats to them.
