UTV'S at SNORE battle at primm ROLL CALL

[howyadoin]

What other Snore events will they run UTV's at? Laughlin for sure?

Hard to say at this point? Two races with 3 entries each is pretty pathetic. Hopefully they'll give "us" another chance and hopefully more will show, but tough to tell on either count from here. The Mint is the next race on the schedule fwiw.
http://snoreracing.net/race-schedule.html

 

[Xmotorcr]

Hard to say at this point? Two races with 3 entries each is pretty pathetic. Hopefully they'll give "us" another chance and hopefully more will show, but tough to tell on either count from here. The Mint is the next race on the schedule fwiw.
2011 Schedule

at the awards they said utv's will be at laughlin in dec.

 

[jaggedx]

at the awards they said utv's will be at laughlin in dec.

So, none of the other races in the series? I was afraid that's how it would play out.

 

[jaggedx]

Total dissapointment! all the talk about wanting another racing venue and this the turnout. it is really too bad, The SNORE organization is great! these races are a blast. you get to race in the morning for two days and get to watch great racing for the rest of two days. There was a lot of interest n the UTV's from Vendors at contingency and lots of questions from other racers and spectators. They had over 350 total entries and raced on a track that allowed the spectators to see the cars come by three times each day. Probably the best opportunity that the UTV community has ever had to bring alot of good attention but Ya'll blew it! I think that it made a clear statement to SNORE that the UTV's are not a serious class. I would be surprised to see a UTV class in the future at their races.

BS JX

As for the Jagged X team. Because this was not a series race we had Ashley Tepstra and her sister Allison drive our car. This was their first time ever racing and they were excited to have an opportunity to give it a try. They did great on Sat but caught a bad bounce on Sunday and put the 1919 RZR on it's lid just before the finish. Eveyone was fine and the 1919 RZR lives on. Brandon will be back behind the wheel for the BITD SS300 in April.

BS JX

 

[JoeyD23]

I agree, I am super bummed to hear of the low turnout. SNORE is one of the coolest race series' in all of off-road and it would be a shame to not have a UTV class in the future. In the same breath I will say that I get and respect the challenges teams face budget wise and understand that if points is what they are chasing at BITD then it may affect the turnout at another desert series. But I do hope that SNORE continues to work with the UTV class. My goal would be to see UTV's lining up at the Mint one day!!!

On another note, glad to hear the girls are ok and we cant wait to see what you guys are cooking up for the SS300 with the new rig!

 

[HDRA1]

i was a pre entered team.but we are still building the new gator we are still waiting on parts but we will be at silver state testing footage coming soon and more build pics in the other section of the forum i am glad the teams that did make it had a good time and see you all soon

 

[Bajaxp]

No we did not blow it. The majority of racers chose not to dilute our efforts in BITD or other organizations. Some (most) of are self funded and don't have outside support besides help from friends or % off retail. So personally, if I would have raced the last SNORE race it likely would have jeopardized my attending the BITD SS 300. Why?...no money. So how would reduced BITD car count help the sport we all love.

I think SNORE is an excellent organization and UTV racing will grow with them slowly just as has done with BITD. I have given my input on this forum about SNORE adding UTVs, because Lucas frequents the site and he knows the powes at SNORE better than me. The short version of what I suggested was to let us race a famous race like the Mint and car count will grow. Second, create a hobby stock class in addition to the current Pro class to allow weekend warriors with stock machines to compete. Obviously for competition, safety items, such as 5 pt harnesses, cage with roof and door x bracing, window nets, etc would be needed plus proper gear for the driver and co dog. But I think you could outfit a stock UTV with the aforementioned items for around $3k.

So UTV racers and potential UTV racers, no need to hang your head as you did not blow it. Just seriously consider SNORE when money, time, schedule or rules allow.

MP

 

[jaggedx]

No we did not blow it. The majority of racers chose not to dilute our efforts in BITD or other organizations. Some (most) of are self funded and don't have outside support besides help from friends or % off retail. So personally, if I would have raced the last SNORE race it likely would have jeopardized my attending the BITD SS 300. Why?...no money. So how would reduced BITD car count help the sport we all love.

I think SNORE is an excellent organization and UTV racing will grow with them slowly just as has done with BITD. I have given my input on this forum about SNORE adding UTVs, because Lucas frequents the site and he knows the powes at SNORE better than me. The short version of what I suggested was to let us race a famous race like the Mint and car count will grow. Second, create a hobby stock class in addition to the current Pro class to allow weekend warriors with stock machines to compete. Obviously for competition, safety items, such as 5 pt harnesses, cage with roof and door x bracing, window nets, etc would be needed plus proper gear for the driver and co dog. But I think you could outfit a stock UTV with the aforementioned items for around $3k.

So UTV racers and potential UTV racers, no need to hang your head as you did not blow it. Just seriously consider SNORE when money, time, schedule or rules allow.

MP

I think what Bill is eluding to is that several people stated several times that BITD was cost prohibitive and very difficult to keep up with the race schedule. SNORE would be a perfect opportunity for those people as it is cheaper, has better payouts, etc. I agree full-heartedly that a stock UTV class would be awesome, and maybe that's the direction that "we" should collectively approach SNORE? I just think that it is an absolutely fantastic operation and love hitting the races...so would love to see UTV's become a bigger part of it. That's just my opinion.
Mike West

FWIW...I don't think it's realistic for us (JaggedX) to run the entire BITD season, SNORE season, and hopefully run BAJA and KOH regularly as well...so Bill's comments were not likely aimed at those that are already commited to BITD, but I'll let him clarify that whenever he checks back in.

 

[jaggedx]

i was a pre entered team.but we are still building the new gator we are still waiting on parts but we will be at silver state testing footage coming soon and more build pics in the other section of the forum i am glad the teams that did make it had a good time and see you all soon

Looking forward to seeing that machine at SS!!! I think that race will be "ground breaking" with XP's, CanAms (canned hams), and the Gator all being a part of it...absolutely awesome!
Mike West

 

[Ignore Amos]

I agree that a Sport Class would be huge, again- most just don't have the funds or resources to build 35-45k dedicated racer... as someone new to racing UTV's... I looked for a class to race and put my toe in the water- but just couldn't find anything that worked for my almost stock Commander..I too agree that the 3k to make it significantly safer is about right- I think you'd see dozens of UTV's racing a stock class if they were correctly promoted and easy to run.. and like in most other sports that have an easy starting point.. they are feeders to people who want to take it up a notch and go to dedicated racers.. thats how SCCA has become as popular as it is..there's racing for every budget and skill level- we too are aiming for the SS300 hoping the Commander build and testing go as planned...see you all there!

 

[the stripping shop]

I think it would be hard for any big series to run a stock cage/car. insurance reason/ blm getting into the mix. The tree huggers/blm want a reason to pull/ raise fees to use land. just imagine jagged crash in stock cage/cory 2 roll overs in stock cage/our roll over in stock cage/daystar in stock cage your asking for trouble. Now i can understand if your on private land/tribal land a little bit more lenyit. the man isnt watching as much. i was pretty much sure the lower price would of brought more racers. not the safety side. look at whiplash cheap and you can race anything still very little show. i think snore/ who ever runs the utv side needs to pick one race not in huge conflict with bitd and do a SOBOBA still race huge pay back and see how many will show.If you put jaggedx in charge they will make it huge and make it happen. they are top notch and dont know how to do any less. then you will get alot of interest. do it when it conflics lucas then you will see who is there for real/ for the desert. just my opionion. snore sees how easy it was for the utvs to be there. Make it $50 non refundible pre register see who is serious.Who ever pre registers get 20% more of winnings then if you show that weekend to race.

 

[JoeyD23]

I understand the insurance and safety of it all. I always tell it like this. The minute you require aftermarket fuel cell you lose a tremendous amount of would be competitors.

I will throw this out there - GNCC attracts well over 40 entries consistently - Soboba has over 40 entries this year and last year - UTV Rally Raid that happened last weekend in GA had 65 entries.

GNCC has multiple classes, but Soboba and RR allow you to bring your factory car with panels, nets, harnesses, helmets, and RUN IT! I could see adding a few more precautions into the mix but as soon as aftermarket chassis, fuel, seat mounting, etc etc etc enter into the mix you relinquish the class to those willing to dump a lot of money into their UTV to go race. Its not a bad thing, its reality. I get it 110%, I understand the liabilities for the promoters and land holders but its just the reality of it all. If you want car count you need to reduce the amount of rules and allow for a stock modded class.

The other thing is that I would liek to see SNORE and or BITD do is maybe not allow the stock mod classes race every race, but maybe bring them into the fold for certain races throughout the year. I have learned that the weekend warrior type racer i.e. the Soboba guy or the RR guy or LEGP guy cant race a full season anyway. But if you picked 3 races out of the season that allowed for a Stock Mod class and you found a sponsor to put up a cash prize I bet you would see a large turnout. People that are non pro racers want to just race EVENTS. Fun events that they can do every now and then in the same car they would take to Glamis the previous week to play in. Just my opinion.

 

[tatum]

I think it would be hard for any big series to run a stock cage/car. insurance reason/ blm getting into the mix. The tree huggers/blm want a reason to pull/ raise fees to use land. just imagine jagged crash in stock cage/cory 2 roll overs in stock cage/our roll over in stock cage/daystar in stock cage your asking for trouble. Now i can understand if your on private land/tribal land a little bit more lenyit. the man isnt watching as much. i was pretty much sure the lower price would of brought more racers. not the safety side. look at whiplash cheap and you can race anything still very little show. i think snore/ who ever runs the utv side needs to pick one race not in huge conflict with bitd and do a SOBOBA still race huge pay back and see how many will show.If you put jaggedx in charge they will make it huge and make it happen. they are top notch and dont know how to do any less. then you will get alot of interest. do it when it conflics lucas then you will see who is there for real/ for the desert. just my opionion. snore sees how easy it was for the utvs to be there. Make it $50 non refundible pre register see who is serious.Who ever pre registers get 20% more of winnings then if you show that weekend to race.

Whiplash and Grindingstone both had good turn outs in 2009 and have a stock class.It seems that the economy and the fact that most people dont think a Rhino(tons of these out there ready to race)can compete is hurting racing the most right now.With a payout like Soboba you are going to get alot of people.Also certain races that are very fun like Snowflake and Firebird Monster Jam get a good turn out.

 

[the stripping shop]

i agree for bitd ,blue water in may would be perfect all tribal land. snore race in july at night would work too i think all on private land. the biggest question what would people pay to race a stock vehicle. i wonder how gncc gets there fees so low utv $60 and the pro bike guys $100. bitd is 900 i think for next race and irc 275 i wonder how that works.

 

[Big Guy]

I think the reason for the low turn out is because most of the teams out there have commited to BITD this year. Look at the turn out for the Parker 250. There arent too many teams out there that can run two series in the same year. If SNORE wants to try to pull from BITD then they need make there own classes for UTVs not mirror BITD.

 

[HDRA1]

I think the reason for the low turn out is because most of the teams out there have commited to BITD this year. Look at the turn out for the Parker 250. There arent too many teams out there that can run two series in the same year. If SNORE wants to try to pull from BITD then they need make there own classes for UTVs not mirror BITD.

you guys all have to remember SNORE is run by racers not one person. all you have to do is present your ideas to the board.If you want to work on the rules and present them to the board then get on it i will go with you to the meetings. to make it happen. as for now there is only 2 races for UTV's there i feel if you are running BITD and it comes down to the henderson race i know 20 UTV's are not going to win the championship i really hope some of the teams that are not in the points skip henderson and go run rage at the river

 

[jaggedx]

I think what Bill is eluding to is that several people stated several times that BITD was cost prohibitive and very difficult to keep up with the race schedule. SNORE would be a perfect opportunity for those people as it is cheaper, has better payouts, etc. I agree full-heartedly that a stock UTV class would be awesome, and maybe that's the direction that "we" should collectively approach SNORE? I just think that it is an absolutely fantastic operation and love hitting the races...so would love to see UTV's become a bigger part of it. That's just my opinion.
Mike West

FWIW...I don't think it's realistic for us (JaggedX) to run the entire BITD season, SNORE season, and hopefully run BAJA and KOH regularly as well...so Bill's comments were not likely aimed at those that are already commited to BITD, but I'll let him clarify that whenever he checks back in.

Thanks Mike, you are pretty right on: And please don't think that I am dogging the entire UTV community. My frustration lies mostly with a number of folks out there that seem be discontent with BITD or with Cory or whatever. There have been a lot of comments and whole threads about how there "needs" to be a new venue ect. There just seems to be alot of keyboard racers out there that have a alot of opinions about how it should all work but they never seem to show up at the races.

Beleive me we are very aware of what the cost of racing is. I know everyone thinks that we are a "factory team" and while we do get a great deal of help from our sponsors we still shell out a ton of dough every year to race. Racing is not a cheap deal. No type of racing. I have said this before but the fact is: there are some that just can not afford to race. So be it!

But here is the issue. SNORE granted the UTV's an opportunity to participate. The response on the "forums" was good. The entry's to SNORE were okay (not great) with 7 registering for the first race and 5 registering for this one. Then at both races only three cars show up. As a promoter I would be hard pressed to take us seriously.

Again I am not dogging the racers out there! And as always we will do whatever we can to promote UTV racing in all forms. We love this stuff and want to keep doing it.

BS JX

 

[OFFROADSWAPMEET]

With gas prices going up and over $4.00 a gallon, I think Local Grand prix races are the way to go and will bring 30 plus SXS to the feild and still have fun.

We would love to see JAGGED X at the local SoCal GRAND PRIX'S.
or may be not if we want to WIN. Every body is welcomed to any UTV RACE so get out there and race guys and girls...

 

[jaggedx]

We would love to see JAGGED X at the local SoCal GRAND PRIX'S.
or may be not if we want to WIN.

No one will argue that point for sure...there's a huge difference between building a car for short races and building a car for 1000 miles with a ton of rules...that's just the way it is. I wish we could rationalize building a "short course type car" for a bunch of these fun races, but it just wouldn't work in our budget.
Racing the BITD series is, and probably always will be, the main priority unless things change drastically. We certainly love running KOH every year, and are hoping that Baja will happen as well along with trying to run other "select" events.
Trying to build a car that is competitive in shorter races, and can be competitive in longer races truly is the ultimate challenge in this class. Bottom line is that you can't be "in the points" if you can't finish the long races in the BITD series. .02
I just think it's fantastic that there are so many options for the UTV classes, and that most importantly, we're all still able to find quality venues to race at all!!!

Mike

 

[jaggedx]

On that subject, these are the types of issues that will effect us all in the future, whether it be racing or running around with our buddies on "our" public lands.
http://www.utvunderground.com/f35/congress-hold-oversight-hearings-wild-lands-policy-5691.html

Mike