Sxs vs 1600 9 and 10
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It's a no win situation.
You get beat by a 9, 5/16 or 1600 they then say; See all the money and effort you put into that overpriced UTV and an old school limited buggy, that you can buy used for a fraction of a full race UTV is still faster bla, bla, bla!
You beat a 9, 5/16 or 1600 and they say; Well you have more HP, wheel travel and spent double then what a competitive 1600 cost, you should beat them.
Also they love to throw out the. Come out and race the Snore Rage or Battle at Primm and see who's faster. The ones who like to compare and talk crap only like to race these short sprint races. If you show stats from a Baja 500 they will tell you none of the real fast guys are racing Score or BITD.
Again a no win situation.
You get beat by a 9, 5/16 or 1600 they then say; See all the money and effort you put into that overpriced UTV and an old school limited buggy, that you can buy used for a fraction of a full race UTV is still faster bla, bla, bla!
You beat a 9, 5/16 or 1600 and they say; Well you have more HP, wheel travel and spent double then what a competitive 1600 cost, you should beat them.
Also they love to throw out the. Come out and race the Snore Rage or Battle at Primm and see who's faster. The ones who like to compare and talk crap only like to race these short sprint races. If you show stats from a Baja 500 they will tell you none of the real fast guys are racing Score or BITD.
Again a no win situation.
I do not think Rage or BAP are good example races. Both of those are mini sprint races where you flat out pound the car for X amount of laps over 2 days. It's a fact if you tried to run a UTV as hard as a 1600 car can be run for a long duration you would first blow belts and if you continued destroy the UTV half way through the race. 1600 & 9 cars can take a beating that a UTV can't.
Real desert races are about extreme environments and distances. In Baja a 250 is a sprint, the 500 is a great race and is the prelude to the Grand daddy Baja 1000. The Score Primm was a good 300 mile state race. BITD has some great races. I would think the no prerunning and pre race Blading of the course helps classes like the UTV's. And I think head to head the top UTV & top 1600's would be really close in times. But you don't see top 1600's racing BITD. At a race like the San Felipe 250 I would find it hard for a UTV to be faster then a 1600 on the top half of the course as the whoops are brutal. But on the bottom in the washes like the Matomi the UTV with 4 wheel drive should have the advantage. So again it could be a great comparison on time.
Real desert races are about extreme environments and distances. In Baja a 250 is a sprint, the 500 is a great race and is the prelude to the Grand daddy Baja 1000. The Score Primm was a good 300 mile state race. BITD has some great races. I would think the no prerunning and pre race Blading of the course helps classes like the UTV's. And I think head to head the top UTV & top 1600's would be really close in times. But you don't see top 1600's racing BITD. At a race like the San Felipe 250 I would find it hard for a UTV to be faster then a 1600 on the top half of the course as the whoops are brutal. But on the bottom in the washes like the Matomi the UTV with 4 wheel drive should have the advantage. So again it could be a great comparison on time.
george.felix
George
At Rage we were smoking 9 cars left and right. It really wasn't a contest. But I'm don't think it's relevant. They have their own class and we don't need to compete with them. FYI, most wouldn't move and they started in front of us but as far as I know there wasn't a lot of nerfing if at all.
BiggJim
I Hate Rules - UTVUnderground Approved
Nikal I am not convinced that Pre-blading the course is any help. When we ran off the line behind Quad and Dirt bikes maybe...but now when UTV's get the course it is blown out. The SS300 used to be one of our favorite races...now its a silty disaster running it behind the car and truck classes. Dont take this as a complaint either...if it has done anything it has shown that the UTV's are a real deal class and seems like it has improved relations between other racers. In Baja its another story...LMAO...seems as tho UTV's cut the line and go through the trail plug because a 5' silt hill wont stop them....and from reading on race dezert its not appreciated none to much...I know our car had a folded in half rear bumper from a pissed 8 truck at BJ500.
BigJim, while agree the course gets beat up by the time the UTV get there, or any smaller limited class for that matter. Your just getting to see the same course all the slower/limited guys have seen for ever. And loop races magnify it even more. You have to admit it's comical when a TT driver is interviewed after winning or podium and they talk about how rough the course was and how brutal it was. It makes me laugh! These guys either forgot what a limited class is going through, or their money bags never experienced racing in a limited class.
Years ago Casey flat out said blading was to help finishing rates. This is when Ford was all about the Stock truck classes. Later Casey changed the story to it being a BLM requirement. While maybe it is? No other series blades the courses. BITD when going to Laughlin, is who bladed over the famous "Moon Bumps" that Snore raced on for years, and so did Score when they raced Laughlin.
When you compare a bladed BITD race vs one of the State side Score races, that never was bladed. The Score races were way worse. For one Score allowed a single lap prerun the day before. So before the green flag waved 250+ vehicles went around the course. BITD did away with prerunning or "Fun Run" as they called them. And where you saw the big difference is over the years of running the same beat Score course, with no refresh. Everything was choppy.
The good part of blading is it covers up the big holes and allows healing until the next race. The bad part of blading prior to a race is it softens up the earth and makes for silt holes and BITD races have become much about silt.
BTW BITD Fun Runs were awesome. They would be a few weeks before a race. Casey would lead the tour and they would get race teams companies like TSCO, Mc Millin's, Scaronies etc.. to sponsor the mid day lunch. So you prerun, stopped for lunch on the course and prerun the rest of the course.
Years ago Casey flat out said blading was to help finishing rates. This is when Ford was all about the Stock truck classes. Later Casey changed the story to it being a BLM requirement. While maybe it is? No other series blades the courses. BITD when going to Laughlin, is who bladed over the famous "Moon Bumps" that Snore raced on for years, and so did Score when they raced Laughlin.
When you compare a bladed BITD race vs one of the State side Score races, that never was bladed. The Score races were way worse. For one Score allowed a single lap prerun the day before. So before the green flag waved 250+ vehicles went around the course. BITD did away with prerunning or "Fun Run" as they called them. And where you saw the big difference is over the years of running the same beat Score course, with no refresh. Everything was choppy.
The good part of blading is it covers up the big holes and allows healing until the next race. The bad part of blading prior to a race is it softens up the earth and makes for silt holes and BITD races have become much about silt.
BTW BITD Fun Runs were awesome. They would be a few weeks before a race. Casey would lead the tour and they would get race teams companies like TSCO, Mc Millin's, Scaronies etc.. to sponsor the mid day lunch. So you prerun, stopped for lunch on the course and prerun the rest of the course.
george.felix
George
Every class and car has its pros and cons. In any race you take the better line or sometimes the bad line. Other times you take a lot of risk going around a bottleneck or in other forms of racing maybe it's a mud hole or creek crossing rutted out. Its everyman for himself and protect yourself at all times. That said there shouldn't be any bad blood for a UTV doing what a Utv can do. After all a utv isn't going to outrun anything that can turn better than 75 mph so idk what's the big deal......but back to the original question a Utv is at least as capable as a 9 car imo.....depending on the particular cars.
motive
Active Member
Since we are comparing different classes, let me throw out this one at you. At this years 1000, the top 3 UTVs were only 1/2 mph off the pace of the top 3 class 10 cars. Maybe some of that had to do with the ability to get around log jams and such. A UTV does have some advantages that come into play in some environments but not others like Laughlin. The gap is narrowing. UTVs get faster every year and every race.
