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[NIKAL]

Not a big fan of protesting. I have been protested more times than I can count including last year's Baja 500, and 1000, and this years Baja 500 and they could not find anything wrong.
I was just asking the ? as to how can they run a car in a production class that is not yet a production car.

For the record I really do want them to race. I think it's good for the sport and the UTV industry as a whole. Any time there is more factory involvement with large names the sport benefits.

Wayne I totally agree with both statements you just made. Having to be the Police of your own class or series is not a good way to do things. I too have been in your shoes with regards to being questioned or inspected. On the same token if we are left to manage the rules of the class then sometimes a protest is warranted. I know some will think a guy who protest is a whiner or cry baby, and in many cases this appearance makes people not protest and do what's right.

I have some good ideas regarding tech that could make the class better, but some won't like it, because it would make the rules more clear and be more enforced by the series and tech director and not be left to the racers.


And you are 100% right with having more manufactures supporting the sport. Without competition there is no reason for companies like Polaris to stick around. Look at how many more tire companies have jumped into desert racing due to the UTV class and the competition. It's a good thing!

 

[ssb4]

Well this guys have deeper pockets and more lawyers than all of us. I think they have done their research. It comes down to the letter of the rules. Literally. If it's open to interpretation it's hard not to let them race. Show me where it says they can't? Don't tell me someone told a guy that told a friend that told you...


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[BiggJim]

Not a big fan of protesting. I have been protested more times than I can count including last year's Baja 500, and 1000, and this years Baja 500 and they could not find anything wrong.
I was just asking the ? as to how can they run a car in a production class that is not yet a production car.

For the record I really do want them to race. I think it's good for the sport and the UTV industry as a whole. Any time there is more factory involvement with large names the sport benefits.

Who protested you at baja500?

 

[It'sYourLegacy]

"..And you are 100% right with having more manufactures supporting the sport. Without competition there is no reason for companies like Polaris to stick around.."

"Stick around"...where?
Building machines...period?
Joe/Jane Six Pack and their hard earned money, blood, sweat and tears built American Motorsports racing.
UTV racing will soldier on and be just as competitive/interesting whether fancy race trailers show up on race day or not.

UTV manufacturers/sponsors never bothered to build on what their forefathers/peers of yesterday built/left for them...nor did they ever take competent advantage of 'holdover' professional legacies involving proper safety/rule administration (obviously) still in existence today.

"Competition" doesn't mean a blasted thing if companies or sponsors aren't willing to hold themselves or those they support to any competitive standard whatsoever. Failing that, it is their moral duty to fight for racing legacies (tooth and nail) so that the next racing generation may be even more successful in their legacy programs.

We don't need manufacturers or sponsors...we need leaders...which 60 or so years ago were not all that hard to find (World Wars and later 'conflicts' produced them in droves).

 

[It'sYourLegacy]

"..Any time there is more factory involvement with large names the sport benefits.."

When factories are involved (or worse yet refusing to weigh in) when banned ("large name") racers are entering improperly equipped cars driven by...

..."Anytime" becomes the very reason that this sport could(would) do just as well on its own.

 

[NIKAL]

It's Your Legacy,

While I don't quite get exactly what your rant is about and what you want to see done. I did respect you as you seemed to stand for what your saying. Your words seemed to mean something.

...by the way, this will be my last post here.

Now I have lost that respect as you said; This will be my last post here, and that was false. You have now posted on this site multiple times. Please be the man or woman of your word and do what you said you were going to do.

 

[It'sYourLegacy]

It's Your Legacy,

While I don't quite get exactly what your rant is about and what you want to see done. I did respect you as you seemed to stand for what your saying. Your words seemed to mean something.

Now I have lost that respect as you said; This will be my last post here, and that was false. You have now posted on this site multiple times. Please be the man or woman of your word and do what you said you were going to do.

You "don't quite get" or more accurately 'understand' very well, NIKAL.
My last post in that thread was my last (there)..as much as you (and obviously others) were hoping otherwise.

Feigned ignorance seems to be a very common/prominent trait amongst those claiming to "understand" (i.e. yourself "shitting" understanding of everything UTV) the state of the sport.

Any respect that you have for anyone obviously ends with their 'daring' to challenge statements such as the following:

"..Without competition there is no reason for companies like Polaris to stick around.."
NIKAL (October 2016)

This will be my last post here (so that you can play the "don't quite get" and "respect" game with somebody else).

 

[baja specialist]

Who protested you at baja500?

SCORE would not tell me who it was. But I THINK I know who it wasn't.......

 

[baja specialist]

You "don't quite get" or more accurately 'understand' very well, NIKAL.
My last post in that thread was my last (there)..as much as you (and obviously others) were hoping otherwise.

Feigned ignorance seems to be a very common/prominent trait amongst those claiming to "understand" (i.e. yourself "shitting" understanding of everything UTV) the state of the sport.

Any respect that you have for anyone obviously ends with their 'daring' to challenge statements such as the following:

"..Without competition there is no reason for companies like Polaris to stick around.."
NIKAL (October 2016)

This will be my last post here (so that you can play the "don't quite get" and "respect" game with somebody else).

I hate to say this, but reading your post makes me want to gouge my eyes out with a pencil....... You are obviously very well spoken. The weird thing is nobody has a fucking clue as to what your beef is or what your saying.

 

[BiggJim]

I hate to say this, but reading your post makes me want to gouge my eyes out with a pencil....... You are obviously very well spoken. The weird thing is nobody has a fucking clue as to what your beef is or what your saying.

I finally found the Ignore button... Hes clearly not a dummy...but hes obviously not in touch with what's really going on at the races and gets stuck on 1 subject and beats it to death. It really pains me to read through his ramblings. Congrats legacy...you are the first person I have ever put on the Ignore feature.

 

[NIKAL]

SCORE would not tell me who it was. But I THINK I know who it wasn't.......

Unless something has change with filing a protest, You should be told who it is and they are required to put up a $500 protest fee. If you are found legal and not penalized, you should get the $500. If you were found in violation then the protester would get their money back and you would be penalized or DQ'ed.

Unless it was not a formal protest, but maybe a question regarding course cutting? But even then they still had to file a protest for the series to know, and bring their evidence to the board for review? Maybe with the newer more accurate trackers they dont have to do this, but also I would think the tracker would eliminate the possibilities of course cutting protests, and the series would know once the tracker was downloaded?

I think that is crappy that you can be told of a protest against you, but then not be told who did so and exactly what is was they were protesting you about. That's shady!

 

[fortune46x]

I would think you guys would be planning to have one going in TORC next year eh ? Was last years car in unlimted class running a speedwerx super charge kit ? That thing was very fast and easily ran with the turbo cars. Especially at Crandon. I was there for all three days . You guys had that thing dialed that weekend.

IF they have a new car we will have a few for TORC. We have alot of big things in the mix and coming for TORC once we know the rules of the classes.

We ran a Speedwerx racegas supercharger kit , stage 3 heads, higher compression pistons (stock bore) and cams with speedwerx header and L2 muffler - all off the shelf things. Tuned it with a PCV , and then ran a custom setup for clutching. We would pull hard in the corners but our biggest downfall was with the small secondary size we couldn't get the top speed others were getting with the power we were putting out we were afraid to run larger tires as we didnt know how the driveline would handle that.

Thank you for the kind words, its been alot of work this year just trying to get our program setup but its been a blast with some great people on board for our entire program.

 

[bluediamond]

IF they have a new car we will have a few for TORC. We have alot of big things in the mix and coming for TORC once we know the rules of the classes.

We ran a Speedwerx racegas supercharger kit , stage 3 heads, higher compression pistons (stock bore) and cams with speedwerx header and L2 muffler - all off the shelf things. Tuned it with a PCV , and then ran a custom setup for clutching. We would pull hard in the corners but our biggest downfall was with the small secondary size we couldn't get the top speed others were getting with the power we were putting out we were afraid to run larger tires as we didnt know how the driveline would handle that.

Thank you for the kind words, its been alot of work this year just trying to get our program setup but its been a blast with some great people on board for our entire program.

I figured you guys had to be running the super charge kit. The turbo cars couldnt keep up in the turns with that car but in the straights they made it back up and then some. Should be a fun year at torc next year. Im trying to get a program going myself for full schedule next year. Maybe an X in pro stock. With good clutching I know that car would do fine.A little gun shy with the crandon winners car seemingly so much faster than everyone elses and I never heard if he got torn down. I get hes one of the best drivers around in any series but he pulled car lengths in a stock class.

 

[tatum]

I figured you guys had to be running the super charge kit. The turbo cars couldnt keep up in the turns with that car but in the straights they made it back up and then some. Should be a fun year at torc next year. Im trying to get a program going myself for full schedule next year. Maybe an X in pro stock. With good clutching I know that car would do fine.A little gun shy with the crandon winners car seemingly so much faster than everyone elses and I never heard if he got torn down. I get hes one of the best drivers around in any series but he pulled car lengths in a stock class.

Who won?

 

[It'sYourLegacy]

"..he's obviously not in touch with what's really going on at the races ..Congrats legacy...you are the first person I have ever put on the Ignore feature.."

We'll see.
Racers, manufacturers and sponsors simply pushing the 'ignore' button in regards to blatant safety responsibilities?
Often haunts (if not curses) a class to the point of no return (which is one heck of a thing to be thinking about when that helmet is being strapped on; let alone for all those left behind or obviously held responsible for 'feigned ignorance' afterwards).

Fix it now or read every post pleadingly warning of bad things to come by MANY posters here...later.

You've got a lot more people to add to that 'ignore' list than just me...and everybody reading this forum for any length of time (God help us all) knows it.

 

[fortune46x]

I figured you guys had to be running the super charge kit. The turbo cars couldnt keep up in the turns with that car but in the straights they made it back up and then some. Should be a fun year at torc next year. Im trying to get a program going myself for full schedule next year. Maybe an X in pro stock. With good clutching I know that car would do fine.A little gun shy with the crandon winners car seemingly so much faster than everyone elses and I never heard if he got torn down. I get hes one of the best drivers around in any series but he pulled car lengths in a stock class.

We ran pro stock at ERX with a power commander, a full exhaust (header and L2 Muffler) and then just clutched properly and were competitive. Not sure how it would have done at a longer track.

Who won?

Robert Vanbeekum , He had a wicked fast Polaris Turbo. Super nice guy, All the top cars went through tech and the results stood so I'm sure it was legal - his setup was on point in comparison to where they started the weekend out in practice. It was awesome to see the west and east coast guys come to the midwest to join in. Looking forward to next year.

 

[bluediamond]

I was speaking about the stock class. Not modified class. . And the large margin of victory for C.J.. In a stock class. This made us think twice about doing a full schedule next year. Van beekum won modified in a bad ass XPT. Ill just have to come out to the shop one of these days and visit with you guys for a while and pick your brains.

 

[fortune46x]

CJ's car was blazing fast and was well setup. They read into the gray areas of the rules alot (like back halving the car for "safety") and prob got away with more then they should - the car was tech-ed and it passed so it is what it is. Next year they will be far more strict on the rules is my understanding.

I am hoping for an SR1 class to get the guys like CJ and Jonny into a UTV to race vs the beginner style classes like the stock class.

 

[baja specialist]

We'll see.
Racers, manufacturers and sponsors simply pushing the 'ignore' button in regards to blatant safety responsibilities?
Often haunts (if not curses) a class to the point of no return (which is one heck of a thing to be thinking about when that helmet is being strapped on; let alone for all those left behind or obviously held responsible for 'feigned ignorance' afterwards).

Fix it now or read every post pleadingly warning of bad things to come by MANY posters here...later.

You've got a lot more people to add to that 'ignore' list than just me...and everybody reading this forum for any length of time (God help us all) knows it.

Ok, just so I know. What exactly is your problem with the safety rules in our class that differ from other classes racing. And why do you bad mouth the manufacturers like Polaris or Can Am when they are out there supporting racers?

 

[CSG]

He has gained no support for whatever his ideas are on this site so now he is pulling religion into the argument.