NEW SKAT-TRAK 30" PADDLE TIRES

Sounds like a plan. Everything is a theory until it is put in place and proven to be correct.

Just busting your balls!!! I will check them out at the Sand Show.
 
On paper math and physics don't lie, but in the real world it sometimes does not work out the same. Ask some of the fine engineers and then ask the people that actually implement what the engineers say is correct. LOL!
 
On paper math and physics don't lie, but in the real world it sometimes does not work out the same. Ask some of the fine engineers and then ask the people that actually implement what the engineers say is correct. LOL!
That could be true on something never used. But as you well know these tires have Evolved into this new tire over time using customer feedback and field testing and plain old experience. Its pretty much a no brainer if a guy wants his underpowered SXS to really perform ya gotta shave weight and Rotating Mass also. Let me ask you a question do you think shaving 50lbs of Rotating mass of your current XP1000 will be noticeable and do you think 50lbs less rotating mass will be easier on the drivetrain? The tires are the light part and the rim Tim likes are the lightest ones he can find or build. we like a Narrow rim as it lets your tire flex and work the ground better as its like a beach ball going across the sand vs a STU on a wide rim that is flattened out like a rolling pin going thru the sand. A more Rounded tire floats better thru the sand and cuts through the sand like a v bottom boat vs a flat bottom boat going across a rough lake.
these tires are weighing 13lbs front, rear with 9 paddle Extreme blades 17 lbs then add your rim of choice.
 
I heard every 2-3 lbs of rotating mass saves 1 hp vs. About 17:1 for chasis weight. Then again I read that on the internet so.....

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Reducing rotating mass is important and I get that. However, I do not believe I would notice much of a difference in 50lbs of rotating mass on a 100hp SXS, nor would 95% of the consumers out there. However, add the weight and a not well designed paddle tire and you will notice it.

I think paddle design and tire profile layout is far more important than shaving 6lbs off a tire.

I know you dislike the Blasters, but the tire set up is a little better than you give it credit. I use to run Skats on my Rhino and liked them a lot.

I am still willing to try out the set up just to see the difference. If I like them I will get them.
 
Think about What you just said 50lbs of mass that your engine has to spin is huge on a small engine with a lousy 100hp. Now a 1100 hp motor won't be as affected by 50lbs but if performance is wanted to be gained on either one it matters if you get rid of Rotating mass. It's such a big deal that most of our pickup trucks have gone to aluminum drive shafts to reduce mass the motor has to spin.

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It makes a huge difference. I just went from stock tires to bfg's and they are 20lbs a wheel heavier. Lost low end power and takes way longer to get to speed and stopping. I ran skats in my old teryx and won't run anything else.
 
It makes a huge difference. I just went from stock tires to bfg's and they are 20lbs a wheel heavier. Lost low end power and takes way longer to get to speed and stopping. I ran skats in my old teryx and won't run anything else.
Yeah there's a great example, how about my Ford F 450 Diesel it makes 400hp and 800ft lbs of Torque so who would think a little extra Rotating Mass would hurt it's performance. Hmmm ok. So I go out and buy some new tires that are only a few sizes larger 245 to a 285 and yes the newer tires are taller and heavier but so what its a bad Ass diesel truck it doesn't matter right.! WRONG.
holy crap feels slower on take off and braking a little bit. And my MPG dropped off about 1.5 MPG or so.

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I have been talking with my friend Greg Stuart from Skat-Trak and the rotating mass thing is a big topic and Greg started to put this together so people can understand a little better the effects of Weight and rotating mass. Like Gregs desert race quads for example big heavy tire with beadlocks,tire balls in them for running flat if needed. Greg said bike was a turd in acceleration and when they would put it on CT Racings Dyno and swap over to a light set of Rims and tires it would Rpm instantly and feel like a Rocket LOL. Greg Was like man I want to run those tires in the desert but he knows he would make it about a mile out and get a flat. So no good LOL.


A rotating mass does not really consume or dissipate energy. A rotating mass stores energy. The stored energy can even be harmful, reducing acceleration or braking.

Accelerating an unnecessary rotating mass requires energy, and the acceleration process saps some of the horsepower we have available to accelerate our vehicles. Reducing available horsepower affects acceleration in a very predictable manner, and the horsepower amount needed to spin something up gives us some feel for how important a part change might be.

Four things determine the effect of rotating mass. Every one of these things is important:

  1. How quickly and often a rotating mass speeds up or slows down. Every time it is forced to speed up or slow down, it takes or releases energy.

  2. How heavy the rotating mass is. More weight (with no other changes) stores or releases more energy.

  3. The rotating weight's distance outwards from the centerline. The further out, the more energy pushed in and out of a given weight.

  4. How fast the weight spins, or the speed the weight travels in a given circle diameter. The higher the RPM, the more energy stored.
Number 3 on this list is the most important to consuming energy (horsepower) when looking at your tire and wheel combo. A 20lbs wheel and a 15lbs tire (total 35lbs.) will take less energy to rotate when compared to a 15lbs wheel and 20lbs tire (total 35lbs). Even though the rotating mass is exactly the same weight, the weight of the tire is further out from the centerline so a heavier tire will have dramatic effects on energy required to accelerate or to brake.

Why give away horsepower accelerating a heavy molded casing tire. Put more horsepower to the ground using a lighter tire/wheel combo. Skat-Trak has the lightest sand tires on the market. Our tires are typically 20% to 50% lighter than out competitor’s tires.

If you can take 8lbs of weight of each rear tire and 6lbs of weight off the each front not only has it made your side by side 28lbs lighter, it has taken 28lbs of rotating mass off your driveline. This will put more horsepower to the ground, be easier on your drive line, u-joints and shafts, the drive belt, and clutch system.

Our manufacturing process allows us to only add weight to the tires with the selected amount of paddles only. A molded casing tire is wrapped completely with rubber and a mold encases the tire while the rubber forms into the mold and creates paddles. This allows not only rubber for the paddles but also in the valley between the paddles. This creates a very heavy stiff tire and a lot of unnecessary weight at the furthest point from centerline. So there ya go a little more info to chew on.
 
Good stuff! .

Now that we have the rotational mass out of the way, explain to the fine people the importance of tire profile and paddle set up for the sand.

It's sand tire education time. lol!
 
It makes a huge difference. I just went from stock tires to bfg's and they are 20lbs a wheel heavier. Lost low end power and takes way longer to get to speed and stopping. I ran skats in my old teryx and won't run anything else.


Did you redo your clutch to compensate for the larger heavier tires?
 
I have the alba clutch kit tuned for them
You know what's crazy is your desert tire set is only 20 lbs more than the STUs on method bead locks. , imagine then how the STU feels now. Lol

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Warlock I am really enjoying readying all this great info you've been posting lately about skat tracks thanks for taking the time.any chance we could get a video on how there made I've always wanted to see that.


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Warlock I am really enjoying readying all this great info you've been posting lately about skat tracks thanks for taking the time.any chance we could get a video on how there made I've always wanted to see that.


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Im glad someone appreciates the info.
Thanks.
I will try and get some video of the process.

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Next topic in Sand Paddles is Air Pressure. Any one ever been hauling butt and think you hear a helicopter like Sound?
 
Next topic in Sand Paddles is Air Pressure. Any one ever been hauling butt and think you hear a helicopter like Sound?
I have but only when I ride on wet sand when I'm on the beach in Pismo.


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