New Builds Going Down

[bluediamond]

Not sure about you guys but I am really amazed at all these new race car builds for Best in the Desert I've been seeing the last few months from brand new teams and current. For some of you OG's this last few months has to be pretty exciting for you to see whats coming, no ? The Profesional way some of these guys are going about building these new race car builds is really top notch. I know some people didn't like hearing it said here and i didnt agree either at the time but now I have to agree. The Turbo Pro Production Class will turn out to be the Primier Class in our sport just by judging who is building what and the support some of these teams seem to be getting. Peace out.

 

[facteryfmf]

Will it still be premier class if the overall is won by a car out of the NA class?

 

[bluediamond]

It will be if that's the class the Media organizations choose to cover because that is where the factory supported/Recognized racers are competing. I agree with you but I don't think who crosses the line the fastest will matter. Who's going to get more coverage., The Guthrie's, Johnny, Cognito or S3 winning the turbo class or Joe Schmo from Texas that's wins the N/A class and comes in faster ? Probably not fair but it's reality.

 

[racer570]

I like how somebody defines themselves by not how fast they are, but what class they are in. lol

 

[bluediamond]

I like how somebody defines themselves by not how fast they are, but what class they are in. lol

I didn't start a Priemere class or not thread. I just thought it was cool how many Recognizable names were starting brand new Turbo builds and how advanced this sport is becoming. I don't know anymore than you what class will be faster in the long run. I do know one thing, alot of you guys wanted the turbos out if the pro production class for a reason and it wasn't because they were in the way on the race track

 

[facteryfmf]

It will be if that's the class the Media organizations choose to cover because that is where the factory supported/Recognized racers are competing. I agree with you but I don't think who crosses the line the fastest will matter. Who's going to get more coverage., The Guthrie's winning the turbo class or Joe Schmo from Texas that's wins the N/A class and comes in faster ? Probably not fair but it's reality.

Who said we were Joe Schmo?!

 

[Sandman365]

The Premiere class will be determined by what the the Premiere teams/drivers decide to build. They will continue to be the best and fastest either way IMO.

 

[george.felix]

If it's anything like the unlimited class where turbos can't finish it will be something but I doubt premier is the word. It's yet to be seen. How did turbos fare at B1K?

 

[#xpwarrior]

Here is the sad truth.

I am Joe Schmo... And there are many teams out there just like me. It is Joe Schmo who has made the UTV side of desert racing what it is. If people want to discount all of the privateer teams and talk smack about them being "the Joe Schmo nobody cares about" just realize that Johnny Angle and Justin Lambert and others would be racing a class of 6-10 cars total. When that happens the class dies!

It really chaps my ass to read how some people regard the rest of the field in any of the UTV classes.

Maybe I should rewrap my car so that all it says on the side is JOE SCHMO really big and a UTV Underground sticker to prove a point. We already refuse to run contingency stickers because free advertising doesn't help us pay entry fees. Or I should start a company doing business as Joe Schmo and start producing the parts I have created for our car that have made it to the finish line.

Hell I just figured it out. I will sign up as a contingency sponsor for some of the upcoming races and give BITD a bunch of Joe Schmo stickers that give every finisher in the UTV class some prize so everyone has is Joe Schmo.

 

[bluediamond]

I completely agree with you. This is why I was so disipointed about the BITD splitting the class into two. I wish it would have never happened. I wish they either would have moved the Turbo cars to unlimited or allowed teams to upgrade to aftermarket turbos and reflashes and then locked the rules on for at least 3 seasons to give everyone a fair chance regardless of backing. We could have had all 3 manufacturers, soon to be 4, fighting for a championship on a level playing field. The second being the better option in my opinion. By the way Xpwarrior, thank you for your service. I love your Instagram page. One of the best.

 

[BiggJim]

I completely agree with you. This is why I was so disipointed about the BITD splitting the class into two. I wish it would have never happened. I wish they either would have moved the Turbo cars to unlimited or allowed teams to upgrade to aftermarket turbos and reflashes and then locked the rules on for at least 3 seasons to give everyone a fair chance regardless of backing. We could have had all 3 manufacturers, soon to be 4, fighting for a championship on a level playing field. The second being the better option in my opinion. By the way Xpwarrior, thank you for your service. I love your Instagram page. One of the best.

I disagree, IMHO the small guy would never have a shot at a podium finish with 30% of the class going to turbo's. So you would lose a portion of the privateers. As Xpwarrior said the Privateers make up 70% of the class. To date the turbos have not dominated....but believe me...when everyone gets them dialed in they will be impossible to beat. I think the that by the end of the 2016 season you will see a shift in the class, I think it will end up being a 50/50 split, even though each class will have less participant's you dont run off any privateer that doesn't want to pony up the kind of coin its going to take to build another new car.

Premier Class?!?! who cares what the classes are considered...if you have a N/A car that overalls the race you better believe that car will get the media attention regardless of what the "premier" status is.

Here is the sad truth.

I am Joe Schmo... And there are many teams out there just like me. It is Joe Schmo who has made the UTV side of desert racing what it is. If people want to discount all of the privateer teams and talk smack about them being "the Joe Schmo nobody cares about" just realize that Johnny Angle and Justin Lambert and others would be racing a class of 6-10 cars total. When that happens the class dies!

It really chaps my ass to read how some people regard the rest of the field in any of the UTV classes.

Maybe I should rewrap my car so that all it says on the side is JOE SCHMO really big and a UTV Underground sticker to prove a point. We already refuse to run contingency stickers because free advertising doesn't help us pay entry fees. Or I should start a company doing business as Joe Schmo and start producing the parts I have created for our car that have made it to the finish line.

Hell I just figured it out. I will sign up as a contingency sponsor for some of the upcoming races and give BITD a bunch of Joe Schmo stickers that give every finisher in the UTV class some prize so everyone has is Joe Schmo.

It wasnt even a racer that dropped "Joe Schmo" so dont get to wound up about it.

 

[It'sYourLegacy]

Here is the sad truth..It is Joe Schmo who has made the UTV side of desert racing what it is..It really chaps my ass to read how some people regard the rest of the field in any of the UTV classes.."

If it's any consolation..the fans of racing or those actually supporting it haven't been treated any better (since the beginning) either.

 

[facteryfmf]

I completely agree with you. This is why I was so disipointed about the BITD splitting the class into two. I wish it would have never happened. I wish they either would have moved the Turbo cars to unlimited or allowed teams to upgrade to aftermarket turbos and reflashes and then locked the rules on for at least 3 seasons to give everyone a fair chance regardless of backing. We could have had all 3 manufacturers, soon to be 4, fighting for a championship on a level playing field. The second being the better option in my opinion. By the way Xpwarrior, thank you for your service. I love your Instagram page. One of the best.

I think you have your mindset backwards. The privateers shouldn't have to financially keep up with the factory backed teams building new cars. Hence why we fought for 2 classes.

 

[jdrew1965]

Bluediamond and BiggJim you both have great points. My personal opinion is and will always be lost in the clutter. I think mid season rule changes are the worst thing ever. I think that any rule change that doesn't regard immediate safety should have to be announced by mid season for it to take effect the following season. I think that the turbo cars should have had to enter as unlimited cars as the rules pretty much stated prior to this current season. I don't think there was a need to create a new class. This will cause the numbers in each class to be smaller as you guys pointed out. It took me almost two years to build the car we currently race. Trying to do another build is pretty far off without any outside support but I will plan for it around 2017.

I think that if any turbo whether it came from the factory or aftermarket wanted to race they should have been in the unlimited class. Isn't this how all the other classes are ran? TT has unlimited and spec, it should have been the same with us. The bonus with this new class arrangement is that now there will be 3 UTV Champions in BITD. That's pretty cool when you think about it. Though I still think in the end it hurts the entire UTV community to have more than a pro and unlimited class because it still prevents two main manufacturers from being able to compete head to head with their faster machine against the competitions fastest machine.

So all of us privateers will be chasing Cognito while the rest of the factory backed guys can race each other and hope their cooling issues can be resolved before the summer races. Now I am a little disappointed in myself for jumping on this type of banter, but I do think something good came out of it. I found out that Bluediamond likes my Instagram and I think I really need to make some Joe Schmo gear.

 

[george.felix]

Here is the sad truth.

I am Joe Schmo... And there are many teams out there just like me. It is Joe Schmo who has made the UTV side of desert racing what it is. If people want to discount all of the privateer teams and talk smack about them being "the Joe Schmo nobody cares about" just realize that Johnny Angle and Justin Lambert and others would be racing a class of 6-10 cars total. When that happens the class dies!

It really chaps my ass to read how some people regard the rest of the field in any of the UTV classes.

Maybe I should rewrap my car so that all it says on the side is JOE SCHMO really big and a UTV Underground sticker to prove a point. We already refuse to run contingency stickers because free advertising doesn't help us pay entry fees. Or I should start a company doing business as Joe Schmo and start producing the parts I have created for our car that have made it to the finish line.

Hell I just figured it out. I will sign up as a contingency sponsor for some of the upcoming races and give BITD a bunch of Joe Schmo stickers that give every finisher in the UTV class some prize so everyone has is Joe Schmo.

I wouldn't give it much weight either way. If there's competition then it will be great racing just that simple. I often raced Open class bikes because the over 40 then over 50 class was too small or too good or not aggressive enough etc. I always preferred to race in a class up that was larger than one I belonged in that was smaller because at the end of the day as a Joe Schmo I just want to have fun and do better than I did the last time. The best season I ever had racing was in the D class which was beginners and sandbaggers. Was a long time ago and I'm still friends w lot of those guys.....we were the epitome of Schmos but sure was fun. So Schmo isn't such a bad place to be imo.....see ya'll Schmos in Parker!!!

 

[facteryfmf]

My concern is now.... if we ultimately say the turbos are that much faster, do ALL the NA class start behind the turbo class? Gonna suck for us starting 25+ trying to win an overall....

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[george.felix]

My now concern is now.... if we ultimately say the turbos are that much faster, do ALL the NA class start behind the turbo class? Gonna suck for us starting 25+ trying to win an overall....

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The Warhammer is concerned? Lol

 

[facteryfmf]

The Warhammer is concerned? Lol

Simply feel bad for the 5th thru 25th placed turbo car teams

 

[BiggJim]

Bluediamond and BiggJim you both have great points. My personal opinion is and will always be lost in the clutter. I think mid season rule changes are the worst thing ever. I think that any rule change that doesn't regard immediate safety should have to be announced by mid season for it to take effect the following season. I think that the turbo cars should have had to enter as unlimited cars as the rules pretty much stated prior to this current season. I don't think there was a need to create a new class. This will cause the numbers in each class to be smaller as you guys pointed out. It took me almost two years to build the car we currently race. Trying to do another build is pretty far off without any outside support but I will plan for it around 2017.

I think that if any turbo whether it came from the factory or aftermarket wanted to race they should have been in the unlimited class. Isn't this how all the other classes are ran? TT has unlimited and spec, it should have been the same with us. The bonus with this new class arrangement is that now there will be 3 UTV Champions in BITD. That's pretty cool when you think about it. Though I still think in the end it hurts the entire UTV community to have more than a pro and unlimited class because it still prevents two main manufacturers from being able to compete head to head with their faster machine against the competitions fastest machine.

So all of us privateers will be chasing Cognito while the rest of the factory backed guys can race each other and hope their cooling issues can be resolved before the summer races. Now I am a little disappointed in myself for jumping on this type of banter, but I do think something good came out of it. I found out that Bluediamond likes my Instagram and I think I really need to make some Joe Schmo gear.

I agree...mid season changes are no bueno...but if im not mistaken the turbo rule was introduced at the P250...first race of the season.

Also if we had our way the N/A guys would not be chasing Us for an N/A win....If we had our way we would be racing the Turbo guys in our N/A car. Our plan was to race Up in the turbo class...but the rule makers wont let us.

 

[bluediamond]

I think you have your mindset backwards. The privateers shouldn't have to financially keep up with the factory backed teams building new cars. Hence why we fought for 2 classes.

I guess my line of thought on this was instead of smaller budget teams having to build a new car to stay competitive they would be allowed to add an Aftermarket Turbo to their existing cars and remain competitive and stll be able keep everyone together in one class. For not a pile of money you are back to being even on HP for the most part. I will say this has definitely helped the Used race car market for sure. They don't last long right now. Not cars newer than a few years old anyway.