the stripping shop
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will the turbo can am change the rules like Polaris changed the cc rule? or will Polaris have a turbo one 2 were they have to change rules?
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facteryfmf
Looking For a Few Good Men - UTVUnderground Approv
The latter.
Ignore Amos
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Just a guess.... I dont think Turbos will be allowed until Polaris has something available... even then it might not happen...Its all up to Cory and Casey.
Good question. I had the same thought as soon as I saw that Can-Am was releasing one.
Second question is going to be if it has to be a factory turbo or not? If Can-Am is the only one with a factory turbo and BITD allows it, I would think it would open up the field to aftermarket turbos for the other brands. Let the horsepower wars begin.
Second question is going to be if it has to be a factory turbo or not? If Can-Am is the only one with a factory turbo and BITD allows it, I would think it would open up the field to aftermarket turbos for the other brands. Let the horsepower wars begin.
the stripping shop
RACER - UTVUnderground Approved
lol look at Polaris 1000 and tell me a turbo wont fit between the head and the back fire wall. casey could care less and cory is can-am sponsored. things that make you go hummmmmmmmm.
My guess is that once other oem's have a turbo in the future then they will collectively push to have a pro class for them. Guessing 2015 will be the non turbos but maybe 2016? Time will tell. I am sure that aftermarket turbos won't be allowed. Only oem versions. The rules will be determined by oems more than Cory or Casey. Besides we want to go faster so we can only hope it will happen soon!
Bajaxp
SXS Racer Extraordinaire - UTVUnderground Approved
How did Polaris change the cc rule. We raced a 875cc against a 999 for a whole season. Pfffffttttt.
I would much rather see the OEM's come out with a 99% bullet proof sequential 6-speed than a turbo. My 2 pesos.
crazywatson
#13 - UTVUnderground Approved
Well someone buy one and show up to race it! Have the cameras ready going though tech inspection. Lol
motive
Active Member
I was talking to Casey at V2R about some rules I wanted clarified for my build. He said that he is changing the SR1 class to an unlimited class. Both to include the old motorcycle powered rhinos and those with turbos and such. He did say there would still be a 30" tire limit.
By the way, I was specifically asking Casey if a newly available LT kit would pass rules due to one of the pivot points being moved even though it would still be on the same pivot plane. He told me it would put the car into the unlimited class. Before V2R I told the manufacturer that his stuff might not pass due to that and he said there was someone else committed to run his kit. Take this as a warning, just because someone makes a "race kit" doesn't mean it fits in the rules.
Read the rule book over and over during your build or you will be disappointed. Like the guy that showed up to V2R tech with a bolt on cage.
By the way, I was specifically asking Casey if a newly available LT kit would pass rules due to one of the pivot points being moved even though it would still be on the same pivot plane. He told me it would put the car into the unlimited class. Before V2R I told the manufacturer that his stuff might not pass due to that and he said there was someone else committed to run his kit. Take this as a warning, just because someone makes a "race kit" doesn't mean it fits in the rules.
Read the rule book over and over during your build or you will be disappointed. Like the guy that showed up to V2R tech with a bolt on cage.
There are too many 100k naturally aspirated cars out there to make them all obsolete in one weekend. That being said, the pro class is the best and fastest UTV racing has to offer. Some deliniation is inevitable. Heck, they made an 850 class and there are way more 1000cc desert cars out there. If Cory would give me the OK I would put my 300hp Honda 3.5 in a XP4 and race sportsman. Now that would be fun.
Read the rule book over and over during your build or you will be disappointed. Like the guy that showed up to V2R tech with a bolt on cage.
100% agree! Read your rule book. When you think you have read & know it all. Have someone test you on it. If you have it memorized, you will see things so much different, and find places where you have not taken advantage of the rules to improve your cars.
Bummer hearing BITD is not considering increasing the tire size. At least not for next year. I hope it is considered within the next few years, at least for the pro class. Sad to think even class 11's run a bigger tire. BTW just because the rules list a max size of something does not mean you must run it.
Bajaxp
SXS Racer Extraordinaire - UTVUnderground Approved
Hi Todd. I agree that tire O.D. will have to be addressed by Cory and BITD fairly soon, but I think 2015 is too soon. If we were to give teams a year to test various combos, they would be ready. What about 2016 and allow up to 33 inchers?
Matt you & I are on the same page on tire size. I agree a rule change should be announced but not implemented without giving teams notice and time to test to see if they want to run a larger size. If a team is happy running a 28 or 30 inch tire they would still be free to do so.
the stripping shop
RACER - UTVUnderground Approved
I don't think bigger tires will help Polaris weak trans/diff situation out. maybe craig blowing one will go back to Polaris and make them beef it up
We see things coming. Remember, I've been around for a long time, especially since Class 9 was the class to get into for the average racer, then came the 1-2/1600 which was going to be the truly inexpensive class topped off at $17,000, then came the Mini Mag Class that was to be at $12,000 (I got the first one off the line at the old Mint 400 race).We've seen what has happened to all those classes. I doubt it very much if you could build a competitive 1600 car for less than 100K today. The other classes basically fade away.
So what's the answer?:
I've never been one to stop progress. I think it's healthy for the sport but we must not render useless other classes that were there from the get go.
We at AVE RACING are seriously considering changing some of our classes for 2015. This is the suggestion of a number of our racers:
1. Eliminate the 700 Class and just offer 850cc Class and under
2. Keep the 900 Class for vehicles 900 cc and UNDER
3. set up a new 1000cc Class for all UTVS up to 1000cc. Anyone can race in this class up to 1000cc
4. If indeed we are going TO race the Can-AM turbo model and other manufacturer's versions, we would then set up a UTV TURBO CLASS.
5. We will still maintain the Bone Stock Classes 850 and 1000
Input on this is greatly appreciated.
Lou Peralta
Lou@averacing.com
So what's the answer?:
I've never been one to stop progress. I think it's healthy for the sport but we must not render useless other classes that were there from the get go.
We at AVE RACING are seriously considering changing some of our classes for 2015. This is the suggestion of a number of our racers:
1. Eliminate the 700 Class and just offer 850cc Class and under
2. Keep the 900 Class for vehicles 900 cc and UNDER
3. set up a new 1000cc Class for all UTVS up to 1000cc. Anyone can race in this class up to 1000cc
4. If indeed we are going TO race the Can-AM turbo model and other manufacturer's versions, we would then set up a UTV TURBO CLASS.
5. We will still maintain the Bone Stock Classes 850 and 1000
Input on this is greatly appreciated.
Lou Peralta
Lou@averacing.com
the stripping shop
RACER - UTVUnderground Approved
my question is how do you regulate the motor size or is it word of mouth.I can turn a 900 motor into a 1000 pretty easy.Do you have a set of scales I would start there.If it was me and I want bigger turn out. I would do production class/ pro class and class that is utv more then 3 or 4 year old like a vintage class. let the turbo's run in production or pro the desert will be the factor.
Yeah you gotta call production class what it is and if the Manufacture makes it you can Race it, otherwise your gonna make all of these splintered off classes and Bastardize the turbo cars off like the SR1 class. Once again everyone is running around all worried about the Turbo Mav being a real threat to the podium, I imagine Jagged Boys have been makin calls and people are upset about this possible threat. But Like Rito says let the Desert sort it out. Heck that turbo car might not survive 200 miles and have issues. Never know until its tried. This Production Turbo Situation has to have started a Fire under Polaris and will force them to step up or get left behind.
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