BITD Fire
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facteryfmf
Looking For a Few Good Men - UTVUnderground Approv
Only fire I heard about was Sappington. Not sure if that was the one they were talking about though.
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dnf736
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http://www.race-dezert.com/forum/threads/another-race-another-fire-while-pitting.127133/
Sounds like everyone was ok.
Sounds like everyone was ok.
Blue Coyote
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Spoke with Cory this week and this came up - he did have an issue at RM 107 but it was NOT the fuel related issues discussed on RDC.
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Well he posted on that thread today talking about it and what happened.
the stripping shop
RACER - UTVUnderground Approved
I can't believe none of the utv teams new about having fire suits to fuel utv was a rule for 2016. That's the sad part.
facteryfmf
Looking For a Few Good Men - UTVUnderground Approv
It WAS not in the 2016 UTV rule book.
george.felix
George
The sad part is the first race of the season is a few weeks away and it's a clusterfuck. So is UTVUG the official place to be notified of a major rule change and it's not even under a topic like "BITD MAJOR RULE CHANGE".
Assuming benefit of the doubt that it was in the 2016 rule book which I believe Justin is correct that it was NOT....it was never mentioned at tech in any of the races or in ANY if the registration packets that I'm aware of in 2016. I know a crazy thought but not seeing anyone wearing fire suits and helmets in the Utv class gave me the idea that we didn't need them. So how the fuck are we supposed to know that also means everyone handling a fuel can needs to be wearing a Robert Acer costume......Besides I thought fire like nerfing was part of racing.
So what has the Clusterfuck Sports Network decided on this because I know there are people not glued to Race Dezert or UTVUG that will show up at Parker in improper attire.
Assuming benefit of the doubt that it was in the 2016 rule book which I believe Justin is correct that it was NOT....it was never mentioned at tech in any of the races or in ANY if the registration packets that I'm aware of in 2016. I know a crazy thought but not seeing anyone wearing fire suits and helmets in the Utv class gave me the idea that we didn't need them. So how the fuck are we supposed to know that also means everyone handling a fuel can needs to be wearing a Robert Acer costume......Besides I thought fire like nerfing was part of racing.
So what has the Clusterfuck Sports Network decided on this because I know there are people not glued to Race Dezert or UTVUG that will show up at Parker in improper attire.
facteryfmf
Looking For a Few Good Men - UTVUnderground Approv
They are also required to wear fire protection.
george.felix
George
So does a MC or Quad rider have to wear a fire suit? I mean your balls are right there in harms way......in the interest of safety. I personally think they should have cage requirements as well because it's not safe if you tip over on a MC....Maybe 2018 we could add.....any rocks on the course must be padded with a minimum 8 oz WBA approved pads.
Does no one read or check with BITD about anything? I guess you guys are so used to Cory running the UTV show, that no one goes or checks with BITD? I had read before the 2016 season that all car/truck fuelers or anyone around the fueling crew would be required to be in flame suits. You guys should have known about this or at least wondered why all the other car/truck class fuelers are required to wear flame suits, and the UTV crowd is not? I was told last year that UTV teams were going to be given a longer grace period as the rules were changed only weeks before the Parker 250. And your next race was the UTV Championships, so fueling was not going to be an issue at that race. The Mint would be the first race the UTV teams would be required to follow the Car/Truck pit rules.
When I went to the Mint 400 to help a UTV team I brought my gear expecting to have to wear it. The team said they heard of the rule, but were under the impression the UTV teams were not going to be mandated until later in the year. Since my job with them was not going to be fueling at the main pit, I left my gear with them before heading to pit 1, just in case they were later told to wear it. I did not want to take a chance of them getting DQ'ed or a time penalty.
Now not to throw all the blame on you guys, why didn't BITD staff, Pit captains, the Safety team or BLM question why the UTV teams were still fueling in jeans and T-shirts at any of the other races this year? The Safety Director Dave, claimed that one of his guys was at that pit and saw the fire, yet those guys never went up to the UTV teams earlier asking why they were not suited up? Heck at another race this year while pitting a TT, there was a small amount of fuel (Less then a 1/2 gal that splashed and hit the ground, and as soon as the truck left we had one of the BITD team in the pit pointing out the spill and making us shovel up the wet dirt onto the tarp that was now in shreds as the TT tore it up leaving the pit.
My guess is they will mandate all crew members in the fueling area wear flame suits, and they will give the UTV teams a one race (Parker 250) grace period before issuing penalties.
While I agree with wearing protective clothing, and think fueling aprons should be included in the rules. I personally think there are other issues that need to be looked at in tech to reduce the chance of starting a fire. Fueling equipment, Filler neck location, splash guards, looking at where the spilled fuel could run down too, and what could ignite the fuel. Are you filling on the same side as the exhaust header, above hot brake rotors, shocks, could the fuel puddle on a skid plate etc.. Because without an ignition source fuel will not burn. Fuel on a body panel, ground or your pant leg will not burn if not ignited.
When I went to the Mint 400 to help a UTV team I brought my gear expecting to have to wear it. The team said they heard of the rule, but were under the impression the UTV teams were not going to be mandated until later in the year. Since my job with them was not going to be fueling at the main pit, I left my gear with them before heading to pit 1, just in case they were later told to wear it. I did not want to take a chance of them getting DQ'ed or a time penalty.
Now not to throw all the blame on you guys, why didn't BITD staff, Pit captains, the Safety team or BLM question why the UTV teams were still fueling in jeans and T-shirts at any of the other races this year? The Safety Director Dave, claimed that one of his guys was at that pit and saw the fire, yet those guys never went up to the UTV teams earlier asking why they were not suited up? Heck at another race this year while pitting a TT, there was a small amount of fuel (Less then a 1/2 gal that splashed and hit the ground, and as soon as the truck left we had one of the BITD team in the pit pointing out the spill and making us shovel up the wet dirt onto the tarp that was now in shreds as the TT tore it up leaving the pit.
My guess is they will mandate all crew members in the fueling area wear flame suits, and they will give the UTV teams a one race (Parker 250) grace period before issuing penalties.
While I agree with wearing protective clothing, and think fueling aprons should be included in the rules. I personally think there are other issues that need to be looked at in tech to reduce the chance of starting a fire. Fueling equipment, Filler neck location, splash guards, looking at where the spilled fuel could run down too, and what could ignite the fuel. Are you filling on the same side as the exhaust header, above hot brake rotors, shocks, could the fuel puddle on a skid plate etc.. Because without an ignition source fuel will not burn. Fuel on a body panel, ground or your pant leg will not burn if not ignited.
the stripping shop
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Currently this is only being implemented for the teams that use fuel towers or pressurized systems. Read through the thread on RDC as coming from BITD safety they are looking at instituting it in the near future for all teams...
http://www.race-dezert.com/forum/threads/bitd-new-fueling-rule-as-of-1-27-15.120970/
SPECIAL NOTE - as of 1/27/15 - Fueling Rule - (May be hard to purchase at this time, contact bitd@bitd.com , and we will put you in contact with Darryl Putman, our Tech Inspector.)Overhead Fuel Towers and Pressure Systems: Fuel towers must be at least 20’ from the racecourse. All towers must have a MANNED spring loaded dead man valve (ball, gate, butterfly) to automatically close the line when the handle is released. The hose must have a break-a–way feature in the event the vehicle departs with the hose still attached.
1. Fuel Pressure System and Overhead towers must have double redhead dry brake with return back to the fuel system tank.
2. No larger than a -10 vent line with a visible check valve
3. (2) 20lb fire extinguishers (1) manned by a dedicated person or persons – stronglyrecommended that a fire extinguisher class be taken. May become mandatory in future
4. All Teams using fuel pressure system or fueling tower must register with Best In The Desert so their systems can be inspected.
5. Catch Can for fuel vent line, fuel must not come in contact with ground and be controlled.
6. Fuel Pressure systems must have a 10lb max pressure relief valve for the tank.
8. All persons pitting vehicles must have Nomex fire suits and Nomex head socks
All teams not compliant to these rules are subject to a penalty up to disqualification. CT Rule Book Page 33 – 1/27/15
took me about 5 seconds were this was discussed in utvunderground
the stripping shop
RACER - UTVUnderground Approved
What series do you race in BITD check the rules
the stripping shop
RACER - UTVUnderground Approved
You are correct I cant believe nobody is talking about no more utvra/fees either and all the turbo changes
